Orange peel removal!!
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JulesB said:
I dont think anyone questioned your ability so need to start calling people out (albeit unfairly, you the judge and contestant)! I believe this entire thread has gone off topic, OP asked how much it would cost for his car to be cut and polished and I gave him a price from my pricing structure and suddenly im told im underpriced and obviously a liar or no good!
I hate the motor industry sometimes, complete outsiders pretending to be experts. I know its a bloke thing to be good at cars but sometimes I think the IT experts should back down
Kelly undoubtedly you are good at what you do, clearly you run a good business and leave many a happy customer and clearly you are proud of what you do, but it doesnt mean no one else can do it just as well!
Jules - i'll be in touch for some workI hate the motor industry sometimes, complete outsiders pretending to be experts. I know its a bloke thing to be good at cars but sometimes I think the IT experts should back down
Kelly undoubtedly you are good at what you do, clearly you run a good business and leave many a happy customer and clearly you are proud of what you do, but it doesnt mean no one else can do it just as well!
KDS seems good?
but detailing world is full of people who talk the talk and cannot do the work - and thats from someone who has used several of their 'members' - one even burnt the paint!!
the only good one was Craig at Muddy Detail who had to 'retire' due to back problems etc - he produced brilliant work at a good price
grand cherokee said:
Jules - i'll be in touch for some work
KDS seems good?
but detailing world is full of people who talk the talk and cannot do the work - and thats from someone who has used several of their 'members' - one even burnt the paint!!
the only good one was Craig at Muddy Detail who had to 'retire' due to back problems etc - he produced brilliant work at a good price
You are absoloutley right with what you say and the problem is anyone can spend £200 on a bit of kit and start charging anyone and everyone what they want KDS seems good?
but detailing world is full of people who talk the talk and cannot do the work - and thats from someone who has used several of their 'members' - one even burnt the paint!!
the only good one was Craig at Muddy Detail who had to 'retire' due to back problems etc - he produced brilliant work at a good price
I look forward to hearing from you, where abouts in the midlands are you?
Squiggs said:
Do you not think products and therefore industries improve with time, that better products are developed, come onto the market and cost more than the older basic products?
When it comes to the H&S of spraying please don't forget were not talking about a cut finger or two that can fix themselves.
We're talking about mists of harmful vapours that can get into your lungs and do damage - and once lungs are damaged they can't fix themselves.
I don't think anybody passing on this kind of advice should be classed as a 'nut'.
You are right in what you say, H+S is important but I think what Julian is referring to is when DIY'ers are told they cant do it because of H+S. When it comes to the H&S of spraying please don't forget were not talking about a cut finger or two that can fix themselves.
We're talking about mists of harmful vapours that can get into your lungs and do damage - and once lungs are damaged they can't fix themselves.
I don't think anybody passing on this kind of advice should be classed as a 'nut'.
Squiggs said:
I guess 'can't do it' in that notion all depends on whether the general public (neighbours, passers by, etc) are put at risk - H&S isn't just about your own safety, it's about anyones and everybodys safety.
If a neighbour of mine started spraying and clouds of mist were coming out of his garage I'd be knocking on his door, possibly be calling the council and getting HSE involved.
I think this is what Julian meant about H+S nuts. If a neighbour of mine started spraying and clouds of mist were coming out of his garage I'd be knocking on his door, possibly be calling the council and getting HSE involved.
Im sorry but the mobile smart repair industry has being painting cars outside for what, over 2 decades now, if it was such a problem to paint a car outside a spray booth then it would of been flagged up and stopped many years ago.
Sorry, but I think you are being a bit ridiculous.
EDIT - This is hilarious actually, you are a mobile smart repairer yourself, so you paint cars outside, sorry what do you do to control your paint fumes ensuring passers by + neighbours are not killed by your poisonous gasses?
Edited by JulesB on Wednesday 27th June 13:54
Squiggs said:
I take it your not quite up on the regulations of what should & shouldn't be done outside and what precautions you need to take or not dependending on the type of product being used.
I've got no worries that I'm safe and so everybody else.
Haha, I thought as much. I've got no worries that I'm safe and so everybody else.
Dont worry im well aware of what is and is not allowed and did come under scrutiny not too long ago and im pleased to say I passed with flying colours.
But I am intrigued, what are you using to control your paint fumes in an uncontrolled environment?
Edited by JulesB on Wednesday 27th June 14:07
Kelly.
I haven't critised what you do or your work. Im not a master and don't claim to be. There is always someone better out there, I have no reason to visit you. Why do I need to prove anything ? And why the talk of money?
It's fantastic that you are doing very well because a lot of bodyshops are struggling at the moment and I have unfortunately been a victim and made redundant twice in as many years.
You have cornered a niche in the market in your area and its paying of and I wish you all the best for the future.
I haven't critised what you do or your work. Im not a master and don't claim to be. There is always someone better out there, I have no reason to visit you. Why do I need to prove anything ? And why the talk of money?
It's fantastic that you are doing very well because a lot of bodyshops are struggling at the moment and I have unfortunately been a victim and made redundant twice in as many years.
You have cornered a niche in the market in your area and its paying of and I wish you all the best for the future.
Squiggs said:
The paint I use doesn't come under regs, it's not classed as a health risk product ... as you probably know it's usually the good quality lacquers that do, requiring me to use air fed mask and ensure that I have at least a 5 meter safe zone around my work .... which usually isn't that difficult as work is usually carried out on someones drive down a quiet road or at a country pad, a quick look round, no-one around, spray
But the regs for working outside where fumes/mists are easily and quickly dispersed are different from those of a sprayshop where high concentrates can build up and then suddenly be let out ... hence filtering systems and ducting is required to disperse them effectively. None of which my DIYing neighbour would have.
I fail to see why when I'm keeping myself and others safe while I work that I shouldn't have reason to complain if a neighbour (who is quite possibly using more harmful products than I use) turned his garage into a DIY sprayshop thus putting my and others health at risk.
(This has gone way off topic
);)
Are you saying you use a duff lacquer? being an ex chips guy it wouldnt surprise me!But the regs for working outside where fumes/mists are easily and quickly dispersed are different from those of a sprayshop where high concentrates can build up and then suddenly be let out ... hence filtering systems and ducting is required to disperse them effectively. None of which my DIYing neighbour would have.
I fail to see why when I'm keeping myself and others safe while I work that I shouldn't have reason to complain if a neighbour (who is quite possibly using more harmful products than I use) turned his garage into a DIY sprayshop thus putting my and others health at risk.
(This has gone way off topic
);)If you have got a problem with your neighbour painting his car in his garage and would report him to the council then that really does show the kind of guy you are.
Someone say something about a busy body?
Squiggs said:
I wouldn't need an air fed if I were using as you put it 'duff' lacquer would I?!
And who's said I'm ex chips?
And I haven't got a problem with a neighbour spraying - it was all hypothetical ...
And nobody said anything about busy body ... only you ... suddenly trying to wrongly label me, lowering the tone and I suspect trying to get the last word in.
Anyway it would have nothing to do with being a busy body - what a man does in his own garage is up to him.
But if I suspected whatever he was doing (spraying harmful products, producing explosives, whatever,) might inadvertently cause damage to my and my families health then yes - I would stick my nose in! I'd be a fool not to!
Maybe you just don't and wouldn't care about your and your families health in same way as I do mine ... that's your choice!
Anyway as I said this has gone way off topic now, and for that reason I'm out.
Sorry but the man over the road is painting his car and suddenly explosives are involved and your families lives are in danger? Dont be so bloody ridiculous!And who's said I'm ex chips?
And I haven't got a problem with a neighbour spraying - it was all hypothetical ...
And nobody said anything about busy body ... only you ... suddenly trying to wrongly label me, lowering the tone and I suspect trying to get the last word in.
Anyway it would have nothing to do with being a busy body - what a man does in his own garage is up to him.
But if I suspected whatever he was doing (spraying harmful products, producing explosives, whatever,) might inadvertently cause damage to my and my families health then yes - I would stick my nose in! I'd be a fool not to!
Maybe you just don't and wouldn't care about your and your families health in same way as I do mine ... that's your choice!
Anyway as I said this has gone way off topic now, and for that reason I'm out.
Chips thing is obvious - sat in a transporter, 5 years in a national smart repair network and your website is essentially a copy and paste of CA's.
JulesB
I've read your posts regarding this subject with great interest, however you've crossed the line and lost any respect that you may of had by slating another companies product ! Do your Glare products that you market here at every given opportunity get slated or would you prefer it if they were slated without foundation on various review sites? I also notice your surname, a unique surname in the motor industry within the west midlands. Would you by any chance be related to a certain individual that had significant input with one existing Chips - one dissolved ABC smart repair franchises?
You see Jules, I'd say it were wise to keep viewpoints professional and not snipe, wouldn't you?
I too would be interested to see the photos that you promised to post a couple of days ago.
I've read your posts regarding this subject with great interest, however you've crossed the line and lost any respect that you may of had by slating another companies product ! Do your Glare products that you market here at every given opportunity get slated or would you prefer it if they were slated without foundation on various review sites? I also notice your surname, a unique surname in the motor industry within the west midlands. Would you by any chance be related to a certain individual that had significant input with one existing Chips - one dissolved ABC smart repair franchises?
You see Jules, I'd say it were wise to keep viewpoints professional and not snipe, wouldn't you?
I too would be interested to see the photos that you promised to post a couple of days ago.
Edited by BullMoose on Wednesday 27th June 21:51
Edited by BullMoose on Wednesday 27th June 21:52
grand cherokee said:
Jules - i'll be in touch for some work
KDS seems good?
but detailing world is full of people who talk the talk and cannot do the work - and thats from someone who has used several of their 'members' - one even burnt the paint!!
the only good one was Craig at Muddy Detail who had to 'retire' due to back problems etc - he produced brilliant work at a good price
Sad to hear that though it must be a pain finding someone local enough that charges a good rate. There is always a question of travel, change of angle on bookings which increase work times when not knowing the state of the canvas being worked on r:e being washed at main dealerships etc can soon add issues into the equation if a service of a couple of hours turns into much longer and whether the service provider pays for full insurance rather than saying they have it and clearly do not. Service providers do have routine and regime plus costs have increased over the years both in running and charges which in turn do get passed on accordingly.KDS seems good?
but detailing world is full of people who talk the talk and cannot do the work - and thats from someone who has used several of their 'members' - one even burnt the paint!!
the only good one was Craig at Muddy Detail who had to 'retire' due to back problems etc - he produced brilliant work at a good price
Gio G said:
Ok.... Reading all these posts I am really no wiser.. I seemed to have opened a real can of worms... If someone can give me an answer to my original post honestly and with some back up, that would be appreciated..
For the job to be carried out correctly you would be looking at a week's work minimum. Anyone can flat and polish a car badly in a long day but to remove the orange peel safely then correct the finish without any potential drop back would take some good length of time and cost £1000 - £2000 dependant on time and service provider. Like everything in this world, pay peanuts, get monkeys. If your happy and willing to pay a true rate rather than a cheap rate then you will always get the right level of service.
Edited by Beau Technique on Wednesday 27th June 22:40
Edited by Beau Technique on Wednesday 27th June 22:45
JulesB said:
Chips thing is obvious - sat in a transporter, 5 years in a national smart repair network and your website is essentially a copy and paste of CA's.
I'm back in.Why have you felt the need to keep off topic with seemingly just two aims .... to try and put me and my business down?????
What have I done to deserve it?
You're living in your own little world where you're making things up, believing them and publicly announcing them!
It doesn't really bother me - but why in heavens name do you want to try and label me as an ex chip?
Not that you've seen me sitting in one, but why have you got a problem with me having a transporter? Is it jealousy cos you haven't got one? Do you know where I got from? Do you know if it's leased, on hire or if I've bought it?
The painter and decorator up the road has a transporter - are you therefore going to presume that he once worked for the CA network?
Are there not other Smart networks? Networks that I may or may not have been involved with?
And the funniest thing is you thinking my site is a copy and paste of CA's.
Thank you for the backhanded compliment.
If I can pen the script for a site that can be compared to (and hopefully in some way rival) the site of a national company then I think I've done pretty well, especially as I've not viewed their site for years ... why would I? I'm a local independent while they're national.
And I'm pretty sure a national company would be on my case if I'd copied and pasted from their site - I believe it's called theft of intellectual property.
As has been indicated further up the thread you come across as young, headstrong and impetuous .. not bad things per-say .. but your doing it in an aggressive and infantile way, a way that is never going to win you friends.
You don't seem to care what you say about anybody else - whether it's based on fact or your own fiction (with it more usually it being the latter!)
In this one thread seem to have found it acceptable to suddenly make unfounded bitter and twisted attacks - whether they're attacks regarding the business a person maybe in, attacks on their personal business or just blatant personal attacks.
And it really doesn't seem to bother you .... for now! But it might in the future - when you want to get on with the rest of us in the real and sociable world - when maybe you need leg up or a bit of advice and everybody turns their back on you because you've in someway or another unjustly slagged them all off.
Please feel free to skip over any future comments I may make on any threads within is this or any other forums, cos I can guarantee I won't be wasting my time reading any of yours.
Good bye!
Gio G said:
Ok.... Reading all these posts I am really no wiser.. I seemed to have opened a real can of worms... If someone can give me an answer to my original post honestly and with some back up, that would be appreciated..
I've seen correction work done by DIYers, painters, valeters and pro detailers.But as suggested there are the people that call themselves pro detailers and then there are the 'real' pro detailers.
By far and away the 'real' pro detailers work I've seen has been the best. It's what they do ... they are the professionals at the top of the tree in their field - but it comes at a cost. The jobs I viewed were being charged at £1.8K and taking approx 80 hrs
If I had a car that I thought was worth it, wanted it to look its absolute best and if I could afford it - then I'd go with a 'real' pro detailer.
Squiggs said:
I'm back in.
Why have you felt the need to keep off topic with seemingly just two aims .... to try and put me and my business down?????
What have I done to deserve it?
It takes two to tango buddy, I have not tried to put you and your business down, just highlighted the fact you are hypocritical if you would kick off over your neighbour painting his car out in the open when you do the same on a daily basis.Why have you felt the need to keep off topic with seemingly just two aims .... to try and put me and my business down?????
What have I done to deserve it?
Squiggs said:
It doesn't really bother me - but why in heavens name do you want to try and label me as an ex chip?
Not that you've seen me sitting in one, but why have you got a problem with me having a transporter? Is it jealousy cos you haven't got one? Do you know where I got from? Do you know if it's leased, on hire or if I've bought it?
The painter and decorator up the road has a transporter - are you therefore going to presume that he once worked for the CA network?
I think it does bother you. Well no I dont know if it is leased or not and im not that interested Not that you've seen me sitting in one, but why have you got a problem with me having a transporter? Is it jealousy cos you haven't got one? Do you know where I got from? Do you know if it's leased, on hire or if I've bought it?
The painter and decorator up the road has a transporter - are you therefore going to presume that he once worked for the CA network?
No im not jealous of your van - sorry. Squiggs said:
In this one thread seem to have found it acceptable to suddenly make unfounded bitter and twisted attacks - whether they're attacks regarding the business a person maybe in, attacks on their personal business or just blatant personal attacks.
I called you a busy body, get off your bloody sopa box!Gio G said:
Ok.... Reading all these posts I am really no wiser.. I seemed to have opened a real can of worms... If someone can give me an answer to my original post honestly and with some back up, that would be appreciated..
Likely to be between £1500 and £2000, depending on extras, wax/coating upgrades etc. As in my earlier post, I reckon it's worth it on a valuable new car that you've only just bought, because as a proportion of your new Audi's value it's not the biggest deal - I'm sure there are ticks on the options list that cost more.And yes, enquire with KDS if you have your heart set on achieving this finish:
Oh, and you said backup; will this do? Swings and roundabouts as it was only a partial wet sand but there were other services in there too.
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JulesB said:
It takes two to tango buddy, I have not tried to put you and your business down, just highlighted the fact you are hypocritical if you would kick off over your neighbour painting his car out in the open when you do the same on a daily basis.
Don't mobile painters have strict HSE good practice guidelines to adhere to that diy'ers would not be aware of? Nick may know, if he's not too busy running another extortion racket! Squiggs interference may just save someones lungs!!Anyway, we're all still waiting for the 11 hour detail pictures which you said you would post. We're intrigued, so come on chop chop, don't be shy.
Beau Technique said:
Gio G said:
Ok.... Reading all these posts I am really no wiser.. I seemed to have opened a real can of worms... If someone can give me an answer to my original post honestly and with some back up, that would be appreciated..
For the job to be carried out correctly you would be looking at a week's work minimum. Anyone can flat and polish a car badly in a long day but to remove the orange peel safely then correct the finish without any potential drop back would take some good length of time and cost £1000 - £2000 dependant on time and service provider. Like everything in this world, pay peanuts, get monkeys. If your happy and willing to pay a true rate rather than a cheap rate then you will always get the right level of service.
(and, just for the record, I don't know who Beau Technique is nor his experience etc, just that I argree with his summary
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