Only just heard of sealant, why ever use wax again?
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EazyDuz said:
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Unless you're using a synthetic wax, no normal wax lasts for months unless its summer with little to no rain. Absolutely no way you're getting years out of a natural wax, maybe you've just forgotten what properly protected paint looks like
I know people who had 2 years out of 7 coats of Zymol Vintage, when its properly maintained. You need to cut out the harsh cleaners and use the recommended maintenance sprays after a wash. And properly protected paint has a coating on it, as nothing protects like a coating.Unless you're using a synthetic wax, no normal wax lasts for months unless its summer with little to no rain. Absolutely no way you're getting years out of a natural wax, maybe you've just forgotten what properly protected paint looks like
But hey what do I know.
Tony Starks said:
I know people who had 2 years out of 7 coats of Zymol Vintage, when its properly maintained. You need to cut out the harsh cleaners and use the recommended maintenance sprays after a wash. And properly protected paint has a coating on it, as nothing protects like a coating.
But hey what do I know.
Not a lot really. Maybe a show car that lives in the garage yea but to a daily driver, wax just doesnt last. Nothing harsh about Gold Class, its been proven not to remove any wax or sealant. But hey what do I know.
http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.p...
Someone here has the same problem, just with much less attitude
Someone here has the same problem, just with much less attitude
Tony Starks said:
http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.p...
Someone here has the same problem, just with much less attitude
The answer to his problem is simple, his wax is still there, the wax from his shampoo is sat on top of it masking its water behaviour… if he used a proper pure shampoo the problem would go away. Someone here has the same problem, just with much less attitude
Warby80 said:
Tony Starks said:
http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.p...
Someone here has the same problem, just with much less attitude
The answer to his problem is simple, his wax is still there, the wax from his shampoo is sat on top of it masking its water behaviour… if he used a proper pure shampoo the problem would go away. Someone here has the same problem, just with much less attitude
Most detailers wipedown with a 30% IPA or panelwipe before applying the final waxes (or sealant) to prevent this very thing.
(Hark at me! You should see the state of my cars at the moment.
)swisstoni said:
Warby80 said:
Tony Starks said:
http://www.detailingworld.co.uk/forum/showthread.p...
Someone here has the same problem, just with much less attitude
The answer to his problem is simple, his wax is still there, the wax from his shampoo is sat on top of it masking its water behaviour… if he used a proper pure shampoo the problem would go away. Someone here has the same problem, just with much less attitude
Most detailers wipedown with a 30% IPA or panelwipe before applying the final waxes (or sealant) to prevent this very thing.
(Hark at me! You should see the state of my cars at the moment.
)
I have never bothered with a wipedown before a wax to be honest, some sealants and coatings that need to bond direct to the point then absolutely.
There are plenty of waxes that with a couple of coats and good care will easily last 6 months of winter.
My car is minging atm aswell!
scratcher_ said:
Here's my car this morning.
ODK Concours wax - applied back in November.
Only maintained with a shampoo, no quick detailer or drying aids. Last washed 3 weeks ago.
That contains nut oils and polymers, its not just a carnauba wax. Try something like PB Natty Blue and it wont last more than a few weeks. ODK Concours wax - applied back in November.
Only maintained with a shampoo, no quick detailer or drying aids. Last washed 3 weeks ago.
Come on, people have offered you loads of ideas on how to make a wax last longer and that they are in actualality (sp) pretty good at protecting paint through the winter.
You should maybe learn a bit more about waxes as they all contain oils and silicones, even Nattys Blue.
And as for sealants, I've had 18 months out of Polish Angel Master Sealant as it was properly maintained.
You should maybe learn a bit more about waxes as they all contain oils and silicones, even Nattys Blue.
And as for sealants, I've had 18 months out of Polish Angel Master Sealant as it was properly maintained.
I now the exact make up of the wax. I've been there while it was poured.
Poorboys waxes also contain synthetic carriers and things. They're not just a pot of Carnauba. The natural wax it's self is way too hard and unusable. Every carnauba wax will be a blend of other oils, solvents and other things to make it usable.
I've used their blue, white and red Nattys waxes. While they not be the most durable, they will definitely last more than a few weeks.
When you say it only lasts a few weeks, are you just counting the beading?
Even once the beading has dropped off, a wax will pretty much always still be there in some form.
Poorboys waxes also contain synthetic carriers and things. They're not just a pot of Carnauba. The natural wax it's self is way too hard and unusable. Every carnauba wax will be a blend of other oils, solvents and other things to make it usable.
I've used their blue, white and red Nattys waxes. While they not be the most durable, they will definitely last more than a few weeks.
When you say it only lasts a few weeks, are you just counting the beading?
Even once the beading has dropped off, a wax will pretty much always still be there in some form.
Tony Starks said:
Come on, people have offered you loads of ideas on how to make a wax last longer and that they are in actualality (sp) pretty good at protecting paint through the winter.
You should maybe learn a bit more about waxes as they all contain oils and silicones, even Nattys Blue.
And as for sealants, I've had 18 months out of Polish Angel Master Sealant as it was properly maintained.
They do to an extent but the point im making is that a synthetic wax or sealant will last much longer. So i've ordered some Soft99 Fusso Coat after seeing how popular it is on various forums. You should maybe learn a bit more about waxes as they all contain oils and silicones, even Nattys Blue.
And as for sealants, I've had 18 months out of Polish Angel Master Sealant as it was properly maintained.
Warby80 said:
The answer to his problem is simple, his wax is still there, the wax from his shampoo is sat on top of it masking its water behaviour… if he used a proper pure shampoo the problem would go away.
The trouble is, anyone with half a brain would realise that if a whole load of internet strangers suggest one thing could be causing a problem. That maybe you'd think they might be on to something. (unless you go on BB.com Misc, then never take any advice what so ever!).Tony Starks said:
The trouble is, anyone with half a brain would realise that if a whole load of internet strangers suggest one thing could be causing a problem. That maybe you'd think they might be on to something. (unless you go on BB.com Misc, then never take any advice what so ever!).
Application technique is circular motion, leave til hazed, buff off.Always get an incredible shine, but never lasts very long in harsh winter. Gold Class shampoo is highly rated. If you have some evidence proving the chemicals in Gold Class remove wax i'll take you seriously. Otherwise it's just false information and thus, your opinion, not facts.
Meguiars Website said:
Ultra rich conditioners revitalise and rejuvenate your paint, dramatically enriching the colour and clarity of any finish. This high lubricity formula creates an incredibly slippery surface helping you to remove the dirt while adding gloss to the paint.
Thats the problem, gloss enhanchers. make the paint look great after a wash. but clog and cover anything put on the paint. Hence the reason all coating companies recommend a pure shampoo as it doesn't clog the coating.Most of the time if beading drops off, its because the wax/sealant/coating is covered in junk.
Buy some of the Gyeon Bathe that was suggested or PD Carcare Shampoo and see how much longer your wax lasts.
Or just get PA Master Sealant.
Edited by Tony Starks on Thursday 16th February 09:36
Edited by Tony Starks on Thursday 16th February 09:37
EazyDuz said:
Tony Starks said:
The trouble is, anyone with half a brain would realise that if a whole load of internet strangers suggest one thing could be causing a problem. That maybe you'd think they might be on to something. (unless you go on BB.com Misc, then never take any advice what so ever!).
Application technique is circular motion, leave til hazed, buff off.Always get an incredible shine, but never lasts very long in harsh winter. Gold Class shampoo is highly rated. If you have some evidence proving the chemicals in Gold Class remove wax i'll take you seriously. Otherwise it's just false information and thus, your opinion, not facts.
Try a different non wash n wax shampoo i think you will be suprised.
EazyDuz said:
They do to an extent but the point im making is that a synthetic wax or sealant will last much longer. So i've ordered some Soft99 Fusso Coat after seeing how popular it is on various forums.
If you think a normal wax is disappointing, you'll hate the Fusso Coat. It's been way over rated and over hyped. It's not very good at all.
It's all the rage in certain circles because one person might like it and everyone jumps on the band wagon, but people are seeing that it's not what it was made out to be.
scratcher_ said:
EazyDuz said:
They do to an extent but the point im making is that a synthetic wax or sealant will last much longer. So i've ordered some Soft99 Fusso Coat after seeing how popular it is on various forums.
If you think a normal wax is disappointing, you'll hate the Fusso Coat. It's been way over rated and over hyped. It's not very good at all.
It's all the rage in certain circles because one person might like it and everyone jumps on the band wagon, but people are seeing that it's not what it was made out to be.
Edited by Warby80 on Thursday 16th February 10:27
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