Restoring BMW Techno-Violet paint
Discussion
KingRichard said:
PJ S said:
Yes, but the Cleanse will remove the fillers, as it doesn't contain any of its own, in which case you'll clearly see the various defects.
Something with a bit of fill will reduce that and leave only the worst ones, or at best, none at all.
Ok... how's this then?Something with a bit of fill will reduce that and leave only the worst ones, or at best, none at all.
Two washes.
Acid the wheels (which are in great condition).
Chamois Dry.
Clay.
Autoglym Super Resin Polish. (I've got AS Platiinum as well but I think it's got various polymers and stuff in it which is fine for the cabs but I don't really want to use it on my own cars).
Autoglym Extra Gloss Protection.
Polish Glass.
Dress Plastics and tyres.
Interior Shampoo and Wet Vac.
Vacuum and brush once dry to raise pile.
Dress interior trim.
THat should do, and then see what's needed from there
Anyway, 2 wash - you mean 2 bucket wash - 1 for shampoo, the other clean water for rinsing.
Chamois? No, microfibre towel - far less chance of inflicting damage on the paint.
Clay whilst wet - if you use the BH clay, then you'll only need some water as lube, otherwise it'll be a QD (quick detailer) type lube based clay, which means more money in the long term, not to mention less bar for the money - 200g vs 80-120g.
Dry now, then apply the Auto Balm or a carnauba wax - DoDo is one to consider, as too is Collinite Marque D'Elegance (915?) - neither of which will mask any defects, or not much.
If you plan on polishing later, then a bottle of DoDo Lime Prime Lite (no micro abrasives, just a wipedown product) will be worth investing in or a 50:50 IPA (Isopropyl Alcohol) & Deionised water, before wax/sealant.
Interior plastics - Einszett Cockpit Premium or 303 Aerospace Protectant, which will do the tyres and exterior trim, and wiper baldes too.
Edited by PJ S on Monday 28th January 17:31
I think that's all a bit OTT for a £1300 car...
That all sounds like mega bucks However, I suppose learning the techniques and getting the products won't hurt as I'll be making a more interesting purchase later in the year 
How much you looking at for this stuff? I have a microfibre cloth but surely it just gets wet and then acts like a sponge?
That all sounds like mega bucks
However, I suppose learning the techniques and getting the products won't hurt as I'll be making a more interesting purchase later in the year How much you looking at for this stuff? I have a microfibre cloth but surely it just gets wet and then acts like a sponge?
Well under a ton - which would barely buy you Zymöl HD Cleanse and on of their waxes.
£30 for the BH kit - shampoo/clay/balm
£12 for 2 of the sheepskin mitts linked above
£10-20 for 303 or 303 and Einszett
Couple of good MF cloths/towel(s) - £20
The only thing you'll have to spend again on will be the shampoo, but as it's very concentrated, that'll not be for a while.
The balm will probably last you a lifetime - you use very little and apply very thinly.
Clay bar too will probably last a year - used whenever required/paint feels gritty, typically 4-6 months, and 1/3 of a bar each time, which can be used then on the wheels to remove stubborn brake dust, or windows.
£50 later when going for the Menz/3M polishes and selection of pads.
Alternatives:
£30 for a DoDo Juice wax
£18 for Collinite M D'E wax
£30 for the BH kit - shampoo/clay/balm
£12 for 2 of the sheepskin mitts linked above
£10-20 for 303 or 303 and Einszett
Couple of good MF cloths/towel(s) - £20
The only thing you'll have to spend again on will be the shampoo, but as it's very concentrated, that'll not be for a while.
The balm will probably last you a lifetime - you use very little and apply very thinly.
Clay bar too will probably last a year - used whenever required/paint feels gritty, typically 4-6 months, and 1/3 of a bar each time, which can be used then on the wheels to remove stubborn brake dust, or windows.
£50 later when going for the Menz/3M polishes and selection of pads.
Alternatives:
£30 for a DoDo Juice wax
£18 for Collinite M D'E wax
Mate is bringing some clay round in a minute, so I'll see what that takes out of the paint in a minute 
I'm going to stick with AG stuff for the time being as I'm used to working with it from the olden days (fond memories of being a 5 year old helping dad polish his Jags)
I've never known it to go dusty
Sometimes it leaves a bit of residue if you use too much at a time. Maybe you were a bit too liberal with it Rob
Anyway. Let's see what happens with it... I'll try and post pictures up and do a mini-thread on it if anyone is interested
I'm going to stick with AG stuff for the time being as I'm used to working with it from the olden days (fond memories of being a 5 year old helping dad polish his Jags)
I've never known it to go dusty
Sometimes it leaves a bit of residue if you use too much at a time. Maybe you were a bit too liberal with it Rob
Anyway. Let's see what happens with it... I'll try and post pictures up and do a mini-thread on it if anyone is interested
PJ S said:
David H said:
Please go over to DW, there's mostly bad information on this topic.
Whose or which in particular? You can't really make that sort of glib comment and not go into detail - no pun intended.I'm over there too - so I'm keen to hear your comments.
Also don't agree with all the Zymol comments, I'm always sceptical of anyone raving on about one make, especially when it's Zymol. Zymol make some really great stuff but 99.99% of people will not be able to prep a car to a level where a Zymol wax stands above any other £15 LSP.
But all of this is just my opinion and that's why I didn't originally make comment. Far better to canvas opinion from a larger selection of detailing freaks on a dedicated forum, then you can make up your own mind.
TheGriffalo said:
Autoglym :shudder: It's petroleum based and leaves white dust everywhere. Once you try Zymol you'll never go back to Autoglym IMO.
Thanks for posting this.I use this autoglym polish and I allways end up with white bits everywhere, I have to change to a new cloth pretty often because of this. I think its time to buy some better polish
Holst said:
TheGriffalo said:
Autoglym :shudder: It's petroleum based and leaves white dust everywhere. Once you try Zymol you'll never go back to Autoglym IMO.
Thanks for posting this.I use this autoglym polish and I allways end up with white bits everywhere, I have to change to a new cloth pretty often because of this. I think its time to buy some better polish
I love carnuba waxes, I have a preference for Zymol carbon but I hear good reports about P21S? which is cheaper I believe.
TheGriffalo said:
Holst said:
TheGriffalo said:
Autoglym :shudder: It's petroleum based and leaves white dust everywhere. Once you try Zymol you'll never go back to Autoglym IMO.
Thanks for posting this.I use this autoglym polish and I allways end up with white bits everywhere, I have to change to a new cloth pretty often because of this. I think its time to buy some better polish
I love carnuba waxes, I have a preference for Zymol carbon but I hear good reports about P21S? which is cheaper I believe.
P21S was/is a lot of peoples first step in to 'detailing'. It's very easy to apply/remove and leaves a great wet looking finish. Great product IMO only lacking in durability.
Collinite 476s is pretty much universally praised. It is unbelievably durable, has a similar finish (to my eyes) to P21S and is cheap. Probably the only LSP you'd ever need (not that it'll be the only one you'll ever want, unfortunately!).
Anyway, DW is the place to go so you can get informed opinions instead of my drivel.
David H said:
PJ S said:
David H said:
Please go over to DW, there's mostly bad information on this topic.
Whose or which in particular? You can't really make that sort of glib comment and not go into detail - no pun intended.I'm over there too - so I'm keen to hear your comments.
Also don't agree with all the Zymol comments, I'm always sceptical of anyone raving on about one make, especially when it's Zymol. Zymol make some really great stuff but 99.99% of people will not be able to prep a car to a level where a Zymol wax stands above any other £15 LSP.
But all of this is just my opinion and that's why I didn't originally make comment. Far better to canvas opinion from a larger selection of detailing freaks on a dedicated forum, then you can make up your own mind.
You persuade the OP to join another detailing specific forum, where the general opinion is AG and Meguiar's consumer products are nothing to write home about? Adequate at best.
Can you explain to me how Zymöl manages to charge £300+ for Ital - and we'll not even venture near the others beyond that price point?
Why they threatened legal action on a professional detailer who bought and used their products on his clients' cars, all because he mentioned their use on his site? Actually, I know why - so I'll save you the bother.
They are a company that have through various means made a name for themselves, but rarely from the product itself - overpriced, over hyped, and unfortunately over here! Strange that, considering the norm is to have a product(s) that are raved about and considered essential. Not so strange that they use their price as a marketing strength, when many under no false illusions sees it as a weakness.
Oh, and did you know, there's no such thing as Montan Evergreen Oil, nor the non-Evergreen version used in the majority of their "cheaper than £1800" waxes? Now, Montan Wax is definitely known about - coming from fossilised lignite, which was an evergreen tree.
I'll lay good odds on if I put their wax in another jar and used it, saying it was this other wax, you'd accept it and wouldn't even suss it was Zymöl. And I'll lay better odds on putting a number on the same panel, and you not knowing which one it was, other than pure guesswork.
It's one thing to be a Zymöl user or even paid up licensed user (at £10K a year!) as a professional, when you run the risk of losing potential clients for not having that particular brand in your stock, but it's completely different as an individual, where too often the cachet appeal of using the same brand of wax as XYZ Detailing Ltd. is what makes you think it's the bees knees.
Suffice it to say, I suffer fools lightly, and marketing hype/bull even less so - that's precisely the reason I tout Bilt Hamber. It does exactly what it say on the tin, to plagiarise a famous marketing slogan.
If, like my opinion of the bulk of AG and Meg's stuff on the shelf, I don't think something is worth bothering with, I don't offer it up for comparison or as an option.
So, I reiterate, what's this bad information? Or was you only offering a snipe instead of being upfront and saying you have a different OPINION? The two are not the same- there is a vast gulf between them.
PJ S said:
David H said:
PJ S said:
David H said:
Please go over to DW, there's mostly bad information on this topic.
Whose or which in particular? You can't really make that sort of glib comment and not go into detail - no pun intended.I'm over there too - so I'm keen to hear your comments.
Also don't agree with all the Zymol comments, I'm always sceptical of anyone raving on about one make, especially when it's Zymol. Zymol make some really great stuff but 99.99% of people will not be able to prep a car to a level where a Zymol wax stands above any other £15 LSP.
But all of this is just my opinion and that's why I didn't originally make comment. Far better to canvas opinion from a larger selection of detailing freaks on a dedicated forum, then you can make up your own mind.
You persuade the OP to join another detailing specific forum, where the general opinion is AG and Meguiar's consumer products are nothing to write home about? Adequate at best.
Can you explain to me how Zymöl manages to charge £300+ for Ital - and we'll not even venture near the others beyond that price point?
Why they threatened legal action on a professional detailer who bought and used their products on his clients' cars, all because he mentioned their use on his site? Actually, I know why - so I'll save you the bother.
They are a company that have through various means made a name for themselves, but rarely from the product itself - overpriced, over hyped, and unfortunately over here! Strange that, considering the norm is to have a product(s) that are raved about and considered essential. Not so strange that they use their price as a marketing strength, when many under no false illusions sees it as a weakness.
Oh, and did you know, there's no such thing as Montan Evergreen Oil, nor the non-Evergreen version used in the majority of their "cheaper than £1800" waxes? Now, Montan Wax is definitely known about - coming from fossilised lignite, which was an evergreen tree.
I'll lay good odds on if I put their wax in another jar and used it, saying it was this other wax, you'd accept it and wouldn't even suss it was Zymöl. And I'll lay better odds on putting a number on the same panel, and you not knowing which one it was, other than pure guesswork.
It's one thing to be a Zymöl user or even paid up licensed user (at £10K a year!) as a professional, when you run the risk of losing potential clients for not having that particular brand in your stock, but it's completely different as an individual, where too often the cachet appeal of using the same brand of wax as XYZ Detailing Ltd. is what makes you think it's the bees knees.
Suffice it to say, I suffer fools lightly, and marketing hype/bull even less so - that's precisely the reason I tout Bilt Hamber. It does exactly what it say on the tin, to plagiarise a famous marketing slogan.
If, like my opinion of the bulk of AG and Meg's stuff on the shelf, I don't think something is worth bothering with, I don't offer it up for comparison or as an option.
So, I reiterate, what's this bad information? Or was you only offering a snipe instead of being upfront and saying you have a different OPINION? The two are not the same- there is a vast gulf between them.
David H said:
But all of this is just my opinion and that's why I didn't originally make comment. Far better to canvas opinion from a larger selection of detailing freaks on a dedicated forum, then you can make up your own mind.
Second, I am no Zymol fan. I use Collinite 476s (a £16 wax) LSP most of the time on my daily driver, I tend to focus on other parts of the detail now rather than the LSP (correction, interior god forbid etc). I do not use any Zymol products at the moment at all and most of what you say I'd agree with.Third, I stated what I did not agree with; i.e Zymol is not the answer to everything and I also happen to think AG make some good stuff. Also Meguiars 80 and 83 are very good products IMO, not sure why you'd just dismiss the whole brand.
Fourth, you need to calm down my son!
David H said:
Firstly:
Third, I stated what I did not agree with; i.e Zymol is not the answer to everything and I also happen to think AG make some good stuff. Also Meguiars 80 and 83 are very good products IMO, not sure why you'd just dismiss the whole brand.
Apologies - thought you were championing the Zymöl waxes, the way it read, or I read it.David H said:
But all of this is just my opinion and that's why I didn't originally make comment. Far better to canvas opinion from a larger selection of detailing freaks on a dedicated forum, then you can make up your own mind.
Second, I am no Zymol fan. I use Collinite 476s (a £16 wax) LSP most of the time on my daily driver, I tend to focus on other parts of the detail now rather than the LSP (correction, interior god forbid etc). I do not use any Zymol products at the moment at all and most of what you say I'd agree with.Third, I stated what I did not agree with; i.e Zymol is not the answer to everything and I also happen to think AG make some good stuff. Also Meguiars 80 and 83 are very good products IMO, not sure why you'd just dismiss the whole brand.
Collinite is a very fine wax with good durability, unlike R222 (P21S).
I too didn't say every AG/Meg's product is dire - the bulk of the consumer stuff, of which polishing compounds 80 and 83 are not part of, but the professional end, is average. It's only when you use the pro/trade versions, you realise how much weaker the consumer stuff is - although that's probably to save them from themselves.
I'm very calm, thanks for enquiring - just a couple of crossed wires.
PJ S said:
David H said:
Firstly:
Third, I stated what I did not agree with; i.e Zymol is not the answer to everything and I also happen to think AG make some good stuff. Also Meguiars 80 and 83 are very good products IMO, not sure why you'd just dismiss the whole brand.
Apologies - thought you were championing the Zymöl waxes, the way it read, or I read it.David H said:
But all of this is just my opinion and that's why I didn't originally make comment. Far better to canvas opinion from a larger selection of detailing freaks on a dedicated forum, then you can make up your own mind.
Second, I am no Zymol fan. I use Collinite 476s (a £16 wax) LSP most of the time on my daily driver, I tend to focus on other parts of the detail now rather than the LSP (correction, interior god forbid etc). I do not use any Zymol products at the moment at all and most of what you say I'd agree with.Third, I stated what I did not agree with; i.e Zymol is not the answer to everything and I also happen to think AG make some good stuff. Also Meguiars 80 and 83 are very good products IMO, not sure why you'd just dismiss the whole brand.
Collinite is a very fine wax with good durability, unlike R222 (P21S).
I too didn't say every AG/Meg's product is dire - the bulk of the consumer stuff, of which polishing compounds 80 and 83 are not part of, but the professional end, is average. It's only when you use the pro/trade versions, you realise how much weaker the consumer stuff is - although that's probably to save them from themselves.
I'm very calm, thanks for enquiring - just a couple of crossed wires.
My opening post in this topic didn't really come across as intended.
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