Lotus:- The End?
Discussion
LaurasOtherHalf said:
could be true, certainly sums me up anyway. mind you lotus seem to be doing a fine ob of either
A/subsadising the second hand market
or
B/ devaluing the second hand market
by constantly drip feeding second hand "ex management" cars into the market
You forgot C - massaging the "sales" figures by using the company fleet to ensure that there are some new registrations recorded.A/subsadising the second hand market
or
B/ devaluing the second hand market
by constantly drip feeding second hand "ex management" cars into the market
marshalla said:
You forgot C - massaging the "sales" figures by using the company fleet to ensure that there are some new registrations recorded.
Which is exactly what almost every other car manufacturer does. The size of some manufacturer management/demo fleets runs into four figures and can be swapped for new registrations whenever it suits their cause in order to optimise "market share".I'm not defending the practice just pointing out that it isn't only Lotus who uses the system although their opportunities to do so are obviously more limited.
Trophy200
Edited by Trophy200 on Tuesday 23 October 09:29
DRB Hicom should just buy Lotus Bakeries (a Belgian biscuit manufacturer) and merge it with "Group Lotus", so two of the things the British like, biscuits and fast/sports cars, could be combined !
http://www.lotusbakeries.com/corporate/
Furthermore, Lotus Bakeries is a healthy company (275 million Euro turnover and an Ebit of 33 million Euro in 2011, that's more than Group Lotus' turnover and Ebit). For the UK market, Lotus Bakeries could offer "Lotus Crisps - the fastest, best handling and lightest crisps in UK - now with reduced fat and also available without gluten". In addition, some UK specific brands: "Colin's Finest" and "Chapman's", both offering biscuits, cakes and salty snacks (crisps, nuts etc.), could be later on offered on the whole European continent (more biscuits = more money).
If you think that's a stupid idea, think about how many biscuits, cakes, crips etc. in UK are sold and how many sports cars are sold in UK.
But this might affect Lotus cars sales, because the more people buy and eat Lotus biscuits, cakes, crisps etc, the more people won't fit into an Lotus Elise !
http://www.lotusbakeries.com/corporate/
Furthermore, Lotus Bakeries is a healthy company (275 million Euro turnover and an Ebit of 33 million Euro in 2011, that's more than Group Lotus' turnover and Ebit). For the UK market, Lotus Bakeries could offer "Lotus Crisps - the fastest, best handling and lightest crisps in UK - now with reduced fat and also available without gluten". In addition, some UK specific brands: "Colin's Finest" and "Chapman's", both offering biscuits, cakes and salty snacks (crisps, nuts etc.), could be later on offered on the whole European continent (more biscuits = more money).
If you think that's a stupid idea, think about how many biscuits, cakes, crips etc. in UK are sold and how many sports cars are sold in UK.
But this might affect Lotus cars sales, because the more people buy and eat Lotus biscuits, cakes, crisps etc, the more people won't fit into an Lotus Elise !
finally a post worthy of a lotus thread...
you know what i think diversification may be the way to go ... what a great idea
you know what i think diversification may be the way to go ... what a great idea
GAGA said:
DRB Hicom should just buy Lotus Bakeries (a Belgian biscuit manufacturer) and merge it with "Group Lotus", so two of the things the British like, biscuits and fast/sports cars, could be combined !
http://www.lotusbakeries.com/corporate/
Furthermore, Lotus Bakeries is a healthy company (275 million Euro turnover and an Ebit of 33 million Euro in 2011, that's more than Group Lotus' turnover and Ebit). For the UK market, Lotus Bakeries could offer "Lotus Crisps - the fastest, best handling and lightest crisps in UK - now with reduced fat and also available without gluten". In addition, some UK specific brands: "Colin's Finest" and "Chapman's", both offering biscuits, cakes and salty snacks (crisps, nuts etc.), could be later on offered on the whole European continent (more biscuits = more money).
If you think that's a stupid idea, think about how many biscuits, cakes, crips etc. in UK are sold and how many sports cars are sold in UK.
But this might affect Lotus cars sales, because the more people buy and eat Lotus biscuits, cakes, crisps etc, the more people won't fit into an Lotus Elise !
http://www.lotusbakeries.com/corporate/
Furthermore, Lotus Bakeries is a healthy company (275 million Euro turnover and an Ebit of 33 million Euro in 2011, that's more than Group Lotus' turnover and Ebit). For the UK market, Lotus Bakeries could offer "Lotus Crisps - the fastest, best handling and lightest crisps in UK - now with reduced fat and also available without gluten". In addition, some UK specific brands: "Colin's Finest" and "Chapman's", both offering biscuits, cakes and salty snacks (crisps, nuts etc.), could be later on offered on the whole European continent (more biscuits = more money).
If you think that's a stupid idea, think about how many biscuits, cakes, crips etc. in UK are sold and how many sports cars are sold in UK.
But this might affect Lotus cars sales, because the more people buy and eat Lotus biscuits, cakes, crisps etc, the more people won't fit into an Lotus Elise !
coolbobo said:
might be a bit premature to write it off based on one track test. It wasn't the only fishy result. Carrera S should have pasted the Cayman R too but was slower. Porsche will not like that....But I'll need to see some better numbers soon if this really is representative of the Exige's track ability (I personally doubt it) it will be a huge let down.
Things are so dicey for Lotus at the moment with many who've put a deposit down teetering on the brink of taking the money to the porsche showroom, this will probably seal the deal for quite a few. Lotus need a poor track test like a hole in the head right now. I can't remember things ever being as bleak as they are right now.
But ultimately if this car can't perform, then yes, it's all over bar the shouting.
Scuffers said:
Have to say those times make the rs4 look massively impressive, a big heavy, 4wd estate car on a short cct.
And since when is a Cayman S £30k more?
Carrera S 81K base model on the road http://www.porsche.com/uk/models/911/911-carrera-s...And since when is a Cayman S £30k more?
Exige V6 52K base.
It says a lot that finding a price for the Exige is a pain in the bum on Lotus' site, and Googling for Exige V6 doesn't even put the manufacturers' site on the first page of results. These are some of the basics that DRB should be sure are in place, and something that Bahar should have been on top of two years ago.
With due respect Pits, there is no way I'd expect the Carrera S to paste the Cayman R. The Carrrera S is about as much a track car as a Jaguar XK-R is, the Carerra is a fast useable GT car, we'll have to wait for the 991GT3 for an equally track focused 911 to match the Exige S. it will obviously be much more expensive than the Exige S , but with the 991's new dimensions, I believe it will be less rear biased than the Evora, and of coarse will have a much lower CofG, due to the flat engine . Nevertheless , judging by these lap times none of the marques cars are too shabby from a performance area .
Tuna said:
Scuffers said:
Have to say those times make the rs4 look massively impressive, a big heavy, 4wd estate car on a short cct.
And since when is a Cayman S £30k more?
Carrera S 81K base model on the road http://www.porsche.com/uk/models/911/911-carrera-s...And since when is a Cayman S £30k more?
Exige V6 52K base.
It says a lot that finding a price for the Exige is a pain in the bum on Lotus' site, and Googling for Exige V6 doesn't even put the manufacturers' site on the first page of results. These are some of the basics that DRB should be sure are in place, and something that Bahar should have been on top of two years ago.
just looked at the Porka link:
294 kW (400 hp) at 7,400 rpm
0-100 km/h (62 mph) in 4.5 s
Top speed: 304 km/h (188 mph)
Combined: 9.5 l/100 km (29.7 mpg)*
CO2 emissions: 224 g/km*
GBP 81,242.00 incl. VAT
Blimey, that's impressive, 400Hp, and still under 225g/Km tax line....
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