RE: Proton Dealers to Stock Lotuses?
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So which lotus car do you own HJ ? or have owned in the past ?
I never really knew anything about Lotus 'heritage' when I bought the liz - no some now - but its all pretty irrelevant when you are about to go bust !
building a brand name - is different from heritage !
lotus are a brand - but the cars have never really looked the same down the years - like say AM or Rolls have.
I never really knew anything about Lotus 'heritage' when I bought the liz - no some now - but its all pretty irrelevant when you are about to go bust !
building a brand name - is different from heritage !
lotus are a brand - but the cars have never really looked the same down the years - like say AM or Rolls have.
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The Elises wheels are bigger on the rear for better handling
I presume you altered the profile of the tyre to match the circling diameter or you have actually made the rear handling worse.
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If you dont like cars that colin Chapman designed and built out of a brilliant set of ideals which now shape the cars the company he created builds why did you buy a Lotus?
Hungryjim, you definately need to know the history of Lotus. Colin Chapman was into car racing, he didn't have that much interest in the road cars Lotus built as the development to the road stage was far too long for his liking. Most of the road cars were actually designed by other designers with Colins magic on suspension and handling setups as input.
The ideals of Lotus I have always liked BUT to drive one of "Colin's cars" took a special kind of driver. For example would you want to drive a car in which the fireproof wall between petrol tank and driver was made of treated paper?
BTW I suspect that Mr Chapman wouldn't approve of 6 pot calliper brakes (unnecessary), and certainly not superchargers (too complex).
As for why I bought the M100 Elan, it was a fantastic, high-performance practical car with supercar handling which I could afford on the budget I had. Nothing could touch it on corners and the FWD set-up and boot space meant it could be used for my work all year round. The disadvantage of the Elan was that it was overengineered, making it almost too good. This made it too expensive for Lotus to keep making them and make a profit.
The original Elise S1 I didn't like as I thought they had underpowered it (I was right). The 111s, 135sport, S160 and Exige were much better cars IMHO. Now I don't like where Lotus are taking their cars the S2 standard is back to 118bhp and more powerful versions are pricing themselves out of the market (not very Chapman like)
>> Edited by smeagol on Thursday 8th August 15:09
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The Elises wheels are bigger on the rear for better handling
I presume you altered the profile of the tyre to match the circling diameter or you have actually made the rear handling worse.
No in that i meant keep the S2 wheels the same.18" was a typing error
BTW I suspect that Mr Chapman wouldn't approve of 6 pot calliper brakes (unnecessary), and certainly not superchargers (too complex).
I never wanted the 6 pot brakes but i would rather have the pads ,disks or the calipers changed rather than have full time ABS
Superchargers do seem a good idea to me
As for why I bought the M100 Elan, it was a fantastic, high-performance practical car with supercar handling which I could afford on the budget I had. Nothing could touch it on corners and the FWD set-up and boot space meant it could be used for my work all year round. The disadvantage of the Elan was that it was overengineered, making it almost too good. This made it too expensive for Lotus to keep making them and make a profit.
Ive got a book on the development on the design and development of the Elan .
Nice choice
The original Elise S1 I didn't like as I thought they had underpowered it (I was right). The 111s, 135sport, S160 and Exige were much better cars IMHO. Now I don't like where Lotus are taking their cars the S2 standard is back to 118bhp and more powerful versions are pricing themselves out of the market (not very Chapman like)
I know but lotuses are very prestige plus they are trying to make money to fuel the development of their cars
I guess a lot has been said on this already - I just wanted to echo some of whats been said above.
I have also been stung by overpriced disinterested "official" dealerships. This just might be the kick in the arse they need to bring their prices down and quality up. There are also too few of them, my nearest dealer is an hour drive away! Fortunately I have found an independent who is closer, does a better job and is half the price (I also have a Proton dealership 10 mins away - bonus!).
And in response to W@nkers don't drive Lotus, of course they do - everyone buys a Lotus 'cos of the way it drives and the way it looks and not always in that order...
As a wise (wo)man once said "there are only two types of men in this world - w@nkers and liars"
I have also been stung by overpriced disinterested "official" dealerships. This just might be the kick in the arse they need to bring their prices down and quality up. There are also too few of them, my nearest dealer is an hour drive away! Fortunately I have found an independent who is closer, does a better job and is half the price (I also have a Proton dealership 10 mins away - bonus!).
And in response to W@nkers don't drive Lotus, of course they do - everyone buys a Lotus 'cos of the way it drives and the way it looks and not always in that order...
As a wise (wo)man once said "there are only two types of men in this world - w@nkers and liars"
Writing a good troll is... very much like making love to a beautiful woman. You have to snare their attention, get them all hot under the collar, then keep going for as long as you can. And when the puffing and blowing's done, you can rest easy in the knowledge you've had a better time than they have.
Hungryjim, I salute you.
Hungryjim, I salute you.
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I never wanted the 6 pot brakes but i would rather have the pads ,disks or the calipers changed rather than have full time ABS
So when you said in the MkIII wishlist
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VHPD 190 engine With TT260 supercharger as standard
Bigger brake calipers and ABS as option
You were lying were you? you atually want the same brakes.
ABS systems are completely different from larger brakes. Changing the brakes to bigger pads etc. do not stop them from locking up in the wet (when ABS comes into its own) in fact make them too powerful and you get a greater risk of this happening.
You seemed obsessed with this TT supercharger (why not another manufacturer I don't know) even though all evidence points to this affecting the longevity of the engine/car.
IMHO you would be much better starting with a better base, rather than taking the k-series and pushing it beyond what it can take.
>> Edited by smeagol on Friday 9th August 13:37
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I never wanted the 6 pot brakes but i would rather have the pads ,disks or the calipers changed rather than have full time ABS
So when you said in the MkIII wishlistquote:
VHPD 190 engine With TT260 supercharger as standard
Bigger brake calipers and ABS as option
It is obvious to me that a new law will come out making all cars have a minimal brake distance.
By the time an S3 was developed and put into production this law will be in effect.
I put that in as i would want whatever upgrades to the brakes that were deemed neccesary to come as standard from Lotus rather than having to pay for a car then the brakes from another company.
You were lying were you? you atually want the same brakes.
ABS systems are completely different from larger brakes. Changing the brakes to bigger pads etc. do not stop them from locking up in the wet (when ABS comes into its own) in fact make them too powerful and you get a greater risk of this happening.
You seemed obsessed with this TT supercharger (why not another manufacturer I don't know) even though all evidence points to this affecting the longevity of the engine/car.
IMHO you would be much better starting with a better base, rather than taking the k-series and pushing it beyond what it can take.
>> Edited by hungryjim on Friday 9th August 14:16
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It is obvious to me that a new law will come out making all cars have a minimal brake distance.
Ehhh? how would this law come about? they are talking about making all cars have ABS not minimal braking distances. 4x4's would be totally stuffed by a distance law and manufacturer pressure is far too high for a law of this type.
You still haven't commented on the TT comments.
I wouldent know what would be most benificial and what would fit so i can make a guess.
TT seems to add so much performace for such a little increase in weight 50 kilos for 110 Bhp increase.
A minimal brake distance would be good because it would give manufacturers a way of not putting ABS on if they could make the car stop.
TT seems to add so much performace for such a little increase in weight 50 kilos for 110 Bhp increase.
A minimal brake distance would be good because it would give manufacturers a way of not putting ABS on if they could make the car stop.
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I wouldent know what would be most benificial and what would fit so i can make a guess.
TT seems to add so much performace for such a little increase in weight 50 kilos for 110 Bhp increase.
A minimal brake distance would be good because it would give manufacturers a way of not putting ABS on if they could make the car stop.
You really aren't thinking this through are you? Or maybe just not thinking... Anyway, yes a car with a short stopping distance is great, fab on the track since you can brake later etc etc...
But the stopping distance isn't the issue here. It's that fact that ABS helps people out of situations where they either panic and slam on the brakes or the conditions make it too difficult to cadence brake properly. Planning ahead with your driving helps avoid this but when an incident happens it will always be when you least expect it.
So stop thinking about your bigger brakes, they won't help and stop going on about these bloody superchargers! A brand new engine is about the same price!
Stopping distance is the issue .Have you seen that bogus advert on TV where that guy runs into the kid.He locks his wheels and runs straight into him.If he came off the brakes unlocked the wheels or pumped the brake he would be able to steer round him easily.
I know the superchargers are expensive but i like the figures.What engine could you buy for 9k.
Personally i dont think bigger brakes is the answer but i dont think ABS is either.
I know the superchargers are expensive but i like the figures.What engine could you buy for 9k.
Personally i dont think bigger brakes is the answer but i dont think ABS is either.
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Stopping distance is the issue.
No it's not! The issue is retaining control of the car while slowing down rapidly. Don't you think that perhaps if the guy had ABS he could have turned the steering wheel and avoided the kid?
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Personally i dont think bigger brakes is the answer but i dont think ABS is either.
How about a big parachute... with a supercharger?
You have used the worst example you can about stopping distances. For one the advert uses the highway codes typical stopping distances which are so out of date its unreal. Also the advert clearly has a tampered car the rear wheels are still going round whilst the front has locked up.
You are talking about candice braking which is incredibly hard to do esp. in an emergency. (also it doesn't return full control of steering). You are clearly missing the point about ABS. ABS allows you to steer the car when normal brakes are locked up. This is especially useful in slippy conditions.
ABS could become a law as it would help all vehicles in bad conditions and emmergancy situations. Stopping distances are irrelevant as that is a factor of momentum not braking efficiency. If stopping distances became the law then SUVs, people carriers, vans etc., would all be totally stuffed because of the momentum they carry.
You are talking about candice braking which is incredibly hard to do esp. in an emergency. (also it doesn't return full control of steering). You are clearly missing the point about ABS. ABS allows you to steer the car when normal brakes are locked up. This is especially useful in slippy conditions.
ABS could become a law as it would help all vehicles in bad conditions and emmergancy situations. Stopping distances are irrelevant as that is a factor of momentum not braking efficiency. If stopping distances became the law then SUVs, people carriers, vans etc., would all be totally stuffed because of the momentum they carry.
I keep getting spam email from her!! I'm not sure Hungryjim is a troll. His posting remind me a lot of chassis so theres a 
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