RE: <b>SCOOP</b>: Lotus Ecos!

RE: <b>SCOOP</b>: Lotus Ecos!

Friday 15th February 2002

SCOOP: Lotus Ecos!

Diesel engined sports cars!? Whatever next!?


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clarkdesign

Original Poster:

12 posts

279 months

Friday 15th February 2002
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Those sketches are looking good! Here's to a sexy new sports car that you don't have to feel guilty about!!!

marki

15,763 posts

271 months

Friday 15th February 2002
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yeah just like the 250

CJN

230 posts

274 months

Friday 15th February 2002
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My Elise is fantastic & I'd always thought of diesels as nasty.

Having access to two company Turbodiesels VW Passat & VW Golf has changed my mind on the latter. The engines are superb & very efficient. If they can push two heavyweight cars along & still achieve 40-60mpg, I'm sure they'd cope well with just 750kg.

Where does the queue start?

go-go

193 posts

269 months

Friday 15th February 2002
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A diesel engine will never produce a sound like pertrol V8 or V12.

Never never never

PetrolTed

34,429 posts

304 months

Friday 15th February 2002
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That's true, but it hasn't stopped Lotus selling four cylinder petrol engined cars for decades...

us7nut

4 posts

284 months

Friday 15th February 2002
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Hey - If it's fun to drive, who cares what kind of fuel it burns? Diesel fuel is a bit harder to get here in the states, but is generally available without too much hassle. I can picture it now... 50 tractor trailer rigs, an old Mercedes sedan or two, and a Lotus Ecos lined up at the local truck stop!

Roadrunner

2,690 posts

268 months

Friday 15th February 2002
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What's going on at Lotus? They seem to be spreading themselves out a little thinly with all the unfinished projects kicking around. What's going on with the M250 first?!

PetrolTed

34,429 posts

304 months

Friday 15th February 2002
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What's going on at Lotus? They seem to be spreading themselves out a little thinly with all the unfinished projects kicking around. What's going on with the M250 first?!


The M250 project as it was originally intended is dead. Don't forget Lotus engineering is a huge concern that does loads of work for all the main manufacturers. The ECOS project will no doubt benefit many mainstream cars too.

paul

343 posts

285 months

Friday 15th February 2002
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hmm, wonder what the car is with the data point at the top left of the graph, under 4 seconds to 60 and a huge CO2 output....
Diablo? 550 Maranello? Cerbera?

go-go

193 posts

269 months

Friday 15th February 2002
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Paul, that car is Ultima-Chassis model N°1.

Needs a little refining but overall it's working fine

Ultima-chassis has nothing to do with Ultima, i hope so...

>> Edited by go-go on Friday 15th February 17:00

thomer00

3 posts

284 months

Friday 15th February 2002
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This is certainly a car that you should not get your hopes up for if you live in the US. I doubt they are considering a federalize version.

-Lox Thomson
'97 V8 Esprit
San Bruno, CA
United States

gold man

78 posts

271 months

Monday 18th February 2002
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What about the noise of the diesel? Surely it'll be:
I: Embarrassing
II: Unbearable when driving
Does anyone agree that they will have to seriously work on the sound dampening... but then there wouldn't be a good sportscar noise to listen to. Can it really work well?? I do agree though that if anyone can, it's Lotus!
Regards

griffith

18 posts

285 months

Monday 18th February 2002
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Diesel?

No. No. No.

What next? Electric, Hydro?

GarySh

3 posts

283 months

Tuesday 19th February 2002
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x-file

2 posts

282 months

Wednesday 20th February 2002
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From insider knowledge, Lotus have done a great deal of work on Active Noice Cancellation and Active Sound Synthesis. Some years ago the company had a Citroen AX (for US readers imagine an empty can of beans and you won't be far wrong) fitted with their prototype ANC system. It was an absolute hoot. Inside, you could select various synthesised engine sounds which emerged from the speakers and responded to engine speed and manifold pressure. The choices available include Lotus 4-cyl, Ferrari, Porsche flat-six etc etc. Even seasoned industry professionals got captivated by it, drove much faster, and emerged with big smiles. You want a three-cyl 70 bhp diesel to sound like a 500 bhp Ferrari? Just call Lotus....

Sign me up for an ECOS...I'll bin the 318 and the A6 2.5TDI out front...!!!

frederixie

1,617 posts

284 months

Wednesday 20th February 2002
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Always thought this was possible, speed from efficiëncy makes most sense for the future. Still brave that Lotus wants to risk it. Yet I am sold on the idea.

And what V12 sound? Regular petrol engines often sound whiny, compare THAT with existing non sport diesels. Sports tuned diesels (and turbo's!) do have their own cool sound.

"If you want something to be better, don't expect it to be the same as the old"

m700 tus

26 posts

271 months

Wednesday 20th February 2002
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I'm not taking this seriously. It is either a hoax or a marketing stunt. A diesel Lotus?? I mean, come on...

gnomesmith

2,458 posts

277 months

Wednesday 20th February 2002
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Does anybody remember the diesel Westfield. Steve Cropley raved about it and it set quite a few records.

I replaced a frantic chipped turbo hatch that pulled 7000rpm and went rather quickly with a modified turbo diesel that is not so frantic but, in real terms little slower.

It is different, boost starts at 1200 rpm rather than 4000 and there is lots and lots of torque, dyno sheets make a Cosworth Escort seem very puny in the torque department. It runs out of revs before 6500 but is very fast across the ground, frugal as well.

I'd be interested to try the Ecos particularly with an intelligent CVC, now that would be an interesting prospect.

ChrisD

60 posts

267 months

Monday 25th February 2002
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Don't forget that this isn't the first Diesel sportscar by far - what about the Mercedes C111? If I get my facts right: 4.8l V8 Diesel, 500 bhp, >400km/h, in 1979... I suppose that Ecos will make Diesel a rather exciting way of saving money at the gas station!

PetrolTed

34,429 posts

304 months

Monday 25th February 2002
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I heard a spokeman from Lotus on the radio the other morning when the story broke. I was still half asleep but I'm sure he was predicting that within 2 years a third of all cars will be diesel. Or that may just have been a nightmare I guess.