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I don't think so, but then I am no expert on the pre-war cars such as the SS100 but one of the rarest must be the SS90. I wonder how many unallocated chassis numbers there might be there? Then of course there were E1A and E2A so shall we see E3A, 4A etc? No I think that Jaguar has shot it's bolt after these nine.
Tony, I was only thinking of these last night. Even with available chassis no's I can't see the value in SS's as good originals are readily available at £350-£500k and would there be the demand when Roger William's superb replicas are available for £55-£65k. However, with market demand, could Jaguar pull out of the hat long lost no's for the E1A/E2A models...or, were there ever more chassis/build no's allocated for XJ13's?
I think most people are of that opinion Rich, but since they started it like that, it would be hard to go back on what they did all those years ago since the chassis numbers weren't "allocated" at the time, which is why they are only building the nine "lost" cars. I really don't understand, or perhaps am too old to comprehend, what logic there is in any of this - except money of course. I've been doing some phoning around to the big Jaguar specialists, those who could build you a "proper" car and in some cases even have bucks of the originals. Do remember that the first of the latest six lightweights, of which paradoxically there are seven, wears the chassis 00 and remains in Jaguar's possession, but it was built by RS Panels, then Jaguar built the rest; and of course they all have a Crosthwaite & Gardner engine in them. But back to the point. If these new nine cars are costing, as reputed, £2 million each then a specialist will build an identical car for about £450,000. Now that is over £1.5 million just for a chassis number. And of course Jaguar themselves do own a replica XKSS that came with the James Hull collection.
Edited by lowdrag on Friday 25th March 11:05
v8250 said:
... were there ever more chassis/build no's allocated for XJ13's?
Did I hear someone mention XJ13? :-)To the best of my knowledge (and believe me, I've looked) there were no numbers allocated for further XJ13s. It was, after all, a prototype as E1A and E2A were. The only reference I have been able to uncover referring to more than one car was in an internal memo from 1964 which talks about "a team" in relation to a Le Mans entry with more than one car. In the end, only one was built and no provisional entries were received by the Le Mans organisers (I checked). This was also confirmed to me by XJ13 Project Manager Mike Kimberley who joined me at the London Classic Car Show a few weeks ago.
In a recent conversation with a senior individual at Jaguar Heritage (or Jaguar Land Rover Classic as it is now known) they confirmed to me they have absolutely no plans to produce further XJ13s.
Resurrecting an old thread, but since the dear DVLA withdrew my registration and demanded that it be reregistered as a kit car under IVA rules, I have had to reconsider my position. So, say goodbye to my English XKSS:-
And say hello to my new French one:-
So now I can run around the UK with impunity and don't need any of that IVA gubbins. France, once the most intransigent of authorities where replicas were concerned, have now changed completely and as long as there is proof that the car is 30 years old it is plain sailing to register here. Daft, isn't it? And moreover, the insurance here is any driver with a licence for more than a year and no age limits young or old, nor any mileage restriction.
And say hello to my new French one:-
So now I can run around the UK with impunity and don't need any of that IVA gubbins. France, once the most intransigent of authorities where replicas were concerned, have now changed completely and as long as there is proof that the car is 30 years old it is plain sailing to register here. Daft, isn't it? And moreover, the insurance here is any driver with a licence for more than a year and no age limits young or old, nor any mileage restriction.
Edited by lowdrag on Monday 22 April 12:03
lowdrag said:
Resurrecting an old thread, but since the dear DVLA withdrew my registration and demanded that it be reregistered as a kit car under IVA rules, I have had to reconsider my position. So, say goodbye to my English XKSS:-
And say hello to my new French one:-
So now I can run around the UK with impunity and don't need any of that IVA gubbins. France, once the most intransigent of authorities where replicas were concerned, have now changed completely and as long as there is proof that the car is 30 years old it is plain sailing to register here. Daft, isn't it? And moreover, the insurance here is any driver with a licence for more than a year and no age limits young or old, nor any mileage restriction.
Interesting update, and it's good to know that the Frnch rukes have slackened. I had a plan a few years ago, and I can theoretically ressurect it now And say hello to my new French one:-
So now I can run around the UK with impunity and don't need any of that IVA gubbins. France, once the most intransigent of authorities where replicas were concerned, have now changed completely and as long as there is proof that the car is 30 years old it is plain sailing to register here. Daft, isn't it? And moreover, the insurance here is any driver with a licence for more than a year and no age limits young or old, nor any mileage restriction.
Edited by lowdrag on Monday 22 April 12:03
Why did the DVA withdraw your registration? Was the car still registeted as the donor or something?
Yes, even though Lynx had a visit from the DVLA, even though they pronounced the work that Lynx was doing satisfactory, even though I sent copies of every Lynx brochure to the DVLA, they still declared the car unknown and withdrew the V5. But now, in France, it is registered as a Lynx XKSS. But you'll note that the plate has a distinctly "British" flavour, and it was made for me by Tipper's plates. The front stick-on one is just as good too.
In view of the failings of the Home Office in keeping a consistent track of registration of people, we can't hope for DVLA to do much better with cars.
Presumably, a lot of XKSS kits, and Challenger E-types etc., are in a more uncertain situation than Lowdrag's XKSS. Is the DVLA in the process of chasing all of them? Perhaps the owners were less 'open' with DVLA at the time of the registration so the cars are not tagged in the DVLA computer.
Presumably, a lot of XKSS kits, and Challenger E-types etc., are in a more uncertain situation than Lowdrag's XKSS. Is the DVLA in the process of chasing all of them? Perhaps the owners were less 'open' with DVLA at the time of the registration so the cars are not tagged in the DVLA computer.
Astacus said:
Ouch, So is this the fate of all lynx cars then?
One can't be sure, but two years ago a Lynx D-type that was UK registered, then went to Spain, then came back was forced to go through the IVA, so it looks very much as thought the DVLA has it in for any car twhere the description on the V5 doesn't match the actual car. There a many C and D-types out there running around on a Mk VII or Mk 2 log book for example.
klunkT5 said:
So the DVLA is treating them as a kitcar, Which is really what they are?
Only if they are incorrectly registered, it would seem. I have a kit car, which was built before SVA, and it is correctly registered as the kit make and model, not the donor - of which there was more then one.Sadly, it is not an XKSS... :k
lowdrag said:
Resurrecting an old thread, but since the dear DVLA withdrew my registration and demanded that it be reregistered as a kit car under IVA rules, I have had to reconsider my position. So, say goodbye to my English XKSS:-
How did that come about - did they contact you or vice-versa ?I know of at least one Kougar that was "incorrectly" registered but has since been allocated a Kougar Jaguar identity and retained it's original registration number. The owner did tell me that it took some effort though.
It is I suppose, my fault, but let me relate the story. Knowing that, as above, the DVLA had sanctioned Lynx builds, I phoned and asked them if the definition of the car could be changed from E-type 2+2 to XKSS. I pointed out that the car had been built over 30 years ago. They said yes, so I sent my V5 in. Three months later I hadn't had it back, so phoned to see if they had received it. I was told yes, and a week later, back came the log book preceded by an email basically saying that they weren't sure how to go about it so had referred it to someone else. Then the fun started, and they got their teeth into it and cancelled the registration. Never once did they accept that it was their fault for telling me to send the V5 in. So, if I had not done a thing I would probably have still been on UK plates, but at the same time it would never have got to where it did if they had not told me that all was well and that I should return the V5 with a letter of request.
My fear is that the situation will become even more difficult. Upgrades and modifications (and what is re-manufacturing an E type into an XKSS, but a modification?) may make a nice target. Mk2s on Mk2 logbooks will hit problems because the 2.4 engine has been replaced by a 4.2, the steering is rack and pinion, and the rear suspension is coil spring.
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