"Classic Car Rescue" Channel 5 on Mon 24th Sep 20:00

"Classic Car Rescue" Channel 5 on Mon 24th Sep 20:00

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dr_gn

16,168 posts

185 months

Wednesday 26th September 2012
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TonyHetherington said:
I quite agree yes

What surprised me also was that with a supposed bare metal respray, they didn't even take the bonnet off - not to work on the engine, not to work on the underside, not even to spray it. It's a matter of a few bolts, no?
IIRC bonnet removal - at least on an S1 - is two pivot bolts, two balance spring lever nuts and bolts and an electrical connector. That's it.

Did you see how much filler flaked off the lower corner when he reversed it into that engine?



na

7,898 posts

235 months

Wednesday 26th September 2012
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obviously you all missed Chop Shop: London Garage

look it up and you’ll see where this latest series comes from

the profits claimed on all these type of programs (including the one with the two sycophants and the stack of st) are always the type of gross profit a 5 year old would give - unfortunately a lot of people don't understand this and expect to do the same with a classic they buy 'for profit'

cdodgyd

36 posts

168 months

Wednesday 26th September 2012
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This is a great thread - much better than the programme!

If I won the E-type I'd weigh it in for scrap......

No seriously, what Ch5 have done is inadvertently created a "so bad its good" cult classic that will long be remembered!

TonyHetherington

32,091 posts

251 months

Wednesday 26th September 2012
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dr_gn said:
Did you see how much filler flaked off the lower corner when he reversed it into that engine?
Indeed - the whole crash seemed very set up though. It was an odd place to have a dead engine hanging, reversing with no wing mirros etc. Seemed very fake to me.

All in all, very frustrating to watch - even for someone like me who doesn't know specifics about an E-Type like you (an owner) may.

(which, by the way, I just looked in your profile...your car looks stunning I must say!)

madjules

130 posts

223 months

Wednesday 26th September 2012
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Very much along the lines of Top Gear, it was purely entertainment with only a very tenuous association to the actual subject matter.

The two things that really killed it for me where

The voiceover mentioning in passing “engine work included repairing a damaged piston”. Like that’s a cheap five minute job on an XKE.

And the fact that after all that work they kept that horrendous sunroof. Anyone with an once of knowledge would have either removed it or swapped it out for a webasto, easily paying for itself in the final value.

IroningMan

10,154 posts

247 months

Wednesday 26th September 2012
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dr_gn said:
IroningMan said:
dr_gn said:
...If that heap of st really is worth £30K I'll happily sell my fully rebuilt '64 4.2 RHD manual Coupe (with Webasto sunroof) for £100k and go on a long holiday...
It's just dawned on me why they're giving it away in a competition. I wonder if they'll do that every week...
So why did they say at the end that they'd 'made 10 grand profit" then?

That 'expert car valuer' must be a right bell end. He probably got it confused with a Coupe.
The valuation is intended to encourage the great unwashed to enter the competition at £1.50-odd per text or whatever the going rate is. Provided enough of them do so then the job's a good'un.

na

7,898 posts

235 months

Wednesday 26th September 2012
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TonyHetherington said:
It was an odd place to have a dead engine hanging, reversing with no wing mirros etc. Seemed very fake to me.
it might have been set up but I'm not so sure, that type of thing could happen in 11 out of 10 garages like that one

4rephill

5,041 posts

179 months

Wednesday 26th September 2012
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benjj said:
The car:

Who in their right mind would buy a knackered 2+2 Auto? I'll tell you who; a complete fking .....
confused So it should be scrapped off then because it's not the popular version of the car, is that what you're suggesting? confused


dartissimus

938 posts

175 months

Wednesday 26th September 2012
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na said:
the profits claimed on all these type of programs (including the one with the two sycophants and the stack of st) are always the type of gross profit a 5 year old would give - unfortunately a lot of people don't understand this and expect to do the same with a classic they buy 'for profit'
It's a typical "restore for profit" bodge. A "for own use and pleasure" restorer would have used up all the stated profit in doing a proper job.
Did they really say "changing one piston" ?

Was the valuer 'avin a larf ? what's it really worth ?

Are the stars(sic) reading all this constructive criticism? Show yourselves and hang your heads in shame !

Humper

946 posts

163 months

Wednesday 26th September 2012
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Its a bit of a tarts handbag but I reckon winning it for £1.50 is still a.pretty fair deal. Id rather have a bad one than none smile

na

7,898 posts

235 months

Wednesday 26th September 2012
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Humper said:
Id rather have a bad one than none smile
if had one you wouldn't !

stuarte

1,039 posts

185 months

Wednesday 26th September 2012
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I liked it. All it needs is to be jacked up at the rear, a massive pair or period " Wolfies" fitted, an enormous chrome bug catcher sticking out the bonnet and some flames painted down the sides. Perfect!!

dr_gn

16,168 posts

185 months

Wednesday 26th September 2012
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4rephill said:
benjj said:
The car:

Who in their right mind would buy a knackered 2+2 Auto? I'll tell you who; a complete fking .....
confused So it should be scrapped off then because it's not the popular version of the car, is that what you're suggesting? confused
Yeah:

1) 2+2 E-Types look like st, no matter how much people try to justify them being otherwise becasue of their alleged 'practicality'.

2) They have inferior performance (especially an auto) and handling .

3) They are more expensive to restore simply becasue they are bigger (some key monocoque panels are larger than on an swb car and obviously they have more seats = more leather = more trim = £££££).

4) After restoration they are worth less than swb versions, mainly becasue of 1) & 2) above.

IMO a 2+2 needing a ground-up rebuild is really only fit for the scrapheap or spares unless it's got some kind of sentimental value (or unless you can do the rebuild in 4 weeks and make £10K profit of course ;-) )



dr_gn

16,168 posts

185 months

Wednesday 26th September 2012
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TonyHetherington said:
dr_gn said:
Did you see how much filler flaked off the lower corner when he reversed it into that engine?
Indeed - the whole crash seemed very set up though. It was an odd place to have a dead engine hanging, reversing with no wing mirros etc. Seemed very fake to me.

All in all, very frustrating to watch - even for someone like me who doesn't know specifics about an E-Type like you (an owner) may.

(which, by the way, I just looked in your profile...your car looks stunning I must say!)
Thanks! Rebuilding mine put me off restoring classic cars - probably for life. At least I'd make a nice profit if I sold it, but only becasue it took 8 years and I did 90% of the work myself.

na

7,898 posts

235 months

Wednesday 26th September 2012
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stuarte said:
I liked it. All it needs is to be jacked up at the rear, a massive pair or period " Wolfies" fitted, an enormous chrome bug catcher sticking out the bonnet and some flames painted down the sides. Perfect!!
see my first post here smile

na

7,898 posts

235 months

Wednesday 26th September 2012
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dr_gn said:
Rebuilding mine put me off restoring classic cars - probably for life. At least I'd make a nice profit if I sold it, but only becasue it took 8 years and I did 90% of the work myself.
would that included what pounds per hour you value your own professional time at

most classics are just over valued old cars some a lot more over valued than others

years ago I remember seeing a show condition MGB and a show condition Cortina Mk3 both looked equally good as the other, at the time that MGB would have been worth about £10k and that Cortina M3 about £1k - so one was 'worth' 10 times the other

dr_gn

16,168 posts

185 months

Wednesday 26th September 2012
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na said:
dr_gn said:
Rebuilding mine put me off restoring classic cars - probably for life. At least I'd make a nice profit if I sold it, but only becasue it took 8 years and I did 90% of the work myself.
would that included what pounds per hour you value your own professional time at
No, but since it was a hobby/pastime, and it wasn't intended to be sold afterwards I had no interest in counting hours or cost of my time.

na

7,898 posts

235 months

Wednesday 26th September 2012
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you mentioned profit biggrin

dr_gn

16,168 posts

185 months

Wednesday 26th September 2012
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na said:
you mentioned profit biggrin
Yeah, but at the time I bought and restored it, I had no interest in selling it - it was purely a hobby. We're now talking 10 years ago since I finished it, and 18 years since I bought it.

Now I've got 2 kids and a mortgage, and with an insurance valuation* of around £50k on the car, things change...probably not enough to actually go ahead and sell it TBH, but should I sell it, what other term would you use but 'profit' for a £20k - £25k increase in value over what I've spent on the car?

  • I know, maybe not market value.

griffter

3,986 posts

256 months

Wednesday 26th September 2012
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It's interesting they give the car away. If it was sold at the end of the programme,

(a) its true value would be determined
(b) I wonder if the same approach to restoration would be taken.