Classics dwarfed by moderns
Discussion
By chance I spotted a nice info-graphic on this today:
http://www.coolinfographics.com/blog/2012/11/9/car...
Deals nicely with both classics/modern, 911s, sector-shift and even seems to have version of the previously posted Honda S2000/800 pic.
http://www.coolinfographics.com/blog/2012/11/9/car...
Deals nicely with both classics/modern, 911s, sector-shift and even seems to have version of the previously posted Honda S2000/800 pic.
MrMoonyMan said:
I initially loved reading through this thread (not been on PH for a while) some great pics.
The casual statement 'modern cars are getting bigger' surely cannot be denied I thought, there are so many examples.
Weird how it then got bogged down with anal posturing, flip-charts, statistics, fiscally equivalent groupings, market rating...blah blah blah
Please keep posting quality pics like the one above from MrMoonyman above and ignore the tedium!
Thanks OP for a great thread.
"Yanks always make big cars" shock 
Only now the wheels are in proportion....
Actually raises an interesting point though....is the whole 'cars are growing' thing a European issue?
The yanks haven't grown so much because they were always big?....us Europeans have just caught up?
Only now the wheels are in proportion....
Actually raises an interesting point though....is the whole 'cars are growing' thing a European issue?
The yanks haven't grown so much because they were always big?....us Europeans have just caught up?
Edited by Agoogy on Thursday 22 November 11:46
I agree there is a big difference in size/weight and power from MK1 to whatever MK they are on now. (although as said earlier I don't personally consider them the same class of car, only the same name).
But it's amazing what tricks you can do with a camera to exaggerate the point a bit.
But it's amazing what tricks you can do with a camera to exaggerate the point a bit.
300bhp/ton said:
Mmmm nothing like parking the MK1 golf 20-30 feet further away from the camera is there 
So you seriously think they are roughly the same size?Looking at your profile you seem like a knowledgeable chap, with lots of years of petrolheadedness(!) but I really don't get where you're coming from in this particular vehicular thread
Original MK1 polo vs modern Polo
Original Mini vs modern bloated corpse Mini, look at the CoUNTryman!
Even 'modern' cars such as the bubble shaped Corsa have been inflated over the last few years.
Why so obtuse me old petrol head?
And stop it regarding the 'classes of cars' no one cares!!
300 cares and he's allowed to 
I think he thinks that in the 70's the type and class of people that bought a Golf are not the same people who are the type or class of person that buy a Golf now...
I'd argue that taking into account 'progress' they remain the same, the buyer's income has grown...they have grown and their respective car has grown...
And because each class of car grows they are still called by the names they started with, in as much as small/medium and large etc...
There is no denying the cars have got bigger and this has allowed 'smaller' sub class models, but for me that hasn't stopped the Fiesta being in a certain 'class'...small in that case..
I think he thinks that in the 70's the type and class of people that bought a Golf are not the same people who are the type or class of person that buy a Golf now...
I'd argue that taking into account 'progress' they remain the same, the buyer's income has grown...they have grown and their respective car has grown...
And because each class of car grows they are still called by the names they started with, in as much as small/medium and large etc...
There is no denying the cars have got bigger and this has allowed 'smaller' sub class models, but for me that hasn't stopped the Fiesta being in a certain 'class'...small in that case..
spogxy said:
So you seriously think they are roughly the same size?
lol no 
Check out my post 2 above yours
spogxy said:
Looking at your profile you seem like a knowledgeable chap, with lots of years of petrolheadedness(!) but I really don't get where you're coming from in this particular vehicular thread
Original MK1 polo vs modern Polo
Original Mini vs modern bloated corpse Mini, look at the CoUNTryman!
Even 'modern' cars such as the bubble shaped Corsa have been inflated over the last few years.
Why so obtuse me old petrol head?
And stop it regarding the 'classes of cars' no one cares!!
It's just my view that the cars are no longer aimed at the same sector or customer (that view might well be wrong however).Original MK1 polo vs modern Polo
Original Mini vs modern bloated corpse Mini, look at the CoUNTryman!
Even 'modern' cars such as the bubble shaped Corsa have been inflated over the last few years.
Why so obtuse me old petrol head?
And stop it regarding the 'classes of cars' no one cares!!
But for instance take the Countryman. In it's past incarnation it was a Mini estate with "barn doors" and exterior wood trim.
Today's Countryman is a 5 door 4x4/compact SUV. And apart from the name shares nothing with the original. And I believe fully aimed at a completely different demographic for a completely different use.
I believe the same is true with many cars (Focus, Fiesta, Golf, etc etc). Although the shift in market and target audience has been more subtle and a smaller shift.
Agoogy said:
300 cares and he's allowed to
I think he thinks that in the 70's the type and class of people that bought a Golf are not the same people who are the type or class of person that buy a Golf now...
I'd argue that taking into account 'progress' they remain the same, the buyer's income has grown...they have grown and their respective car has grown...
And because each class of car grows they are still called by the names they started with, in as much as small/medium and large etc...
There is no denying the cars have got bigger and this has allowed 'smaller' sub class models, but for me that hasn't stopped the Fiesta being in a certain 'class'...small in that case..
I suppose it'd be interesting to see what car model has changed the most over the years and undergone the biggest transformation and size increase?I think he thinks that in the 70's the type and class of people that bought a Golf are not the same people who are the type or class of person that buy a Golf now...
I'd argue that taking into account 'progress' they remain the same, the buyer's income has grown...they have grown and their respective car has grown...
And because each class of car grows they are still called by the names they started with, in as much as small/medium and large etc...
There is no denying the cars have got bigger and this has allowed 'smaller' sub class models, but for me that hasn't stopped the Fiesta being in a certain 'class'...small in that case..
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