The Range Rover Classic thread:

[DonkeyApple]

akirk said:

not necessarily a tax dodge - there are no penalty points in the points system for change of body so any vehicle which has a separate chassis (e.g. this RR) can have any body you like and it doesn't affect the identity - as long as you haven't had to change the chassis - take a vehicle with a monocoque body / chassis - then it is a different issue...

That's an area I've never fully understood.

For example, if this car is a 73/4 chassis then that's the big 5 points in the bag as the shell doesn't give or take any points from the 8 required as far as I've understood.

But then this car wouldn't get any other points.


Suspension (front and back) - original 2
Axles (both) - original 2
Transmission - original 2
Steering assembly - original 2
Engine - original 1


All of those parts are from a 90s era car so the max score is 5.

I was also led to believe that the DVLA after years of not just being lax but discovering several long term employees running a side business of faking registrations for cash are clamping down and actively looking to question VED exempt cars that aren't able to clear 8 points?

[squirdan]

more replies to this comedy vehicle than we've had in weeks !

never mind your period correct perfect cars - we all love something "special"

I give you the following. Please tell me ...where was the £9k spent exactly??!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1979-2-DOOR-CLASSIC-RANG...

"needs cosmetics to finish"

[Purso]

Could have been an expensive exhaust??

[akirk]

DonkeyApple said:

akirk said:

not necessarily a tax dodge - there are no penalty points in the points system for change of body so any vehicle which has a separate chassis (e.g. this RR) can have any body you like and it doesn't affect the identity - as long as you haven't had to change the chassis - take a vehicle with a monocoque body / chassis - then it is a different issue...

That's an area I've never fully understood.

For example, if this car is a 73/4 chassis then that's the big 5 points in the bag as the shell doesn't give or take any points from the 8 required as far as I've understood.

But then this car wouldn't get any other points.


Suspension (front and back) - original 2
Axles (both) - original 2
Transmission - original 2
Steering assembly - original 2
Engine - original 1


All of those parts are from a 90s era car so the max score is 5.

I was also led to believe that the DVLA after years of not just being lax but discovering several long term employees running a side business of faking registrations for cash are clamping down and actively looking to question VED exempt cars that aren't able to clear 8 points?

It doesn't always seem to be simple...
so the chassis is the big one as it is the only thing you can't change - it on its own reduces the points total below 8 points and therefore the car fails to meet the criteria...

however with any of the items there can be variance from the original as long as it is considered appropriate for the original car, so you can often change the engine to another from that type of car (e.g. diesel to petrol) and it might not be considered to be an issue - but adding power steering to a series land rover which never had it would not be okay... when I had my series landrover there was no issue in changing from normal leaf springs to parabolics - but there would have been had I put coils on as that would have needed a chassis modification. You also have to answer questions such as is changing a diff the same as changing an axle?

You then also get into the issue that for parts to be considered the same they can be second-hand except for the chassis which can only be replaced with a certified new one... so you are allowed quite a lot of leniency, but the key is that you are keeping roughly the same car, and the identity (chassis) is maintained...

if you have a modified car changed before a certain date (1980s?) you can keep it that way, so there are plenty of grey areas to the whole thing... ultimately - the tax issue is based on original id and chassis / the safety is based on MOT etc. and the DVLA don't really care otherwise - not quite sure how they are telling whether a car passes 8 points, not aware of any proactive checking of cars, but maybe they are?

[squirdan]

Today's Autocar magazine

[akirk]

is that a client's car being restore or one of the 10 they are restoring as Range Rover reborns?

[DonkeyApple]

Must be a client car. They can't have decided to buy 10 shockers to restore?

Reminds me of a Rangie that's abandoned a short way down a private track off the Stow road. It has a tree through the sun roof. I'm planning to pop back in a few years and see if it's lifted the car with it.

[squirdan]

Thing is maybe being parked under a tree is better than having been messed with?

I would guess they've prioritised originality rather than condition

There will be a nice little film coming up on Petrolicious soon starting a Lincoln green restored early car done by Twenty Ten

[squirdan]

PS for anyone doing a resto

I've put a decent set of seats on eBay, pretty good condition just need recovering in correct cloth or leather

as well some old RR brochures might be of interest to someone

Having a clear out !

Will also have:

Top tailgate with half heated glass
2 cubby boxes 70s
2 number plate flaps
Jack and wooden handle
Passenger door from early 4 door
4 speed gear box 1981 vintage
Transfer box
RPI rebuilt 4 litre engine on Edelbrock carb
Diff lock light from suffix A or B
Repro bonnet mirrors were £250 from famous four - still in box
Late 70s rectangular boss 4 spoke steering wheel

Message me if any interest - none of the above on eBay yet

[ruhall]

Maybe the picture of the 'prototype' 4-door is to encourage potential buyers to think they could be buying a rarity, instead of, well, whatever it is.

It's certainly not a '72 3.9. I'd be surprised if anything other than the actual vin plate (or at least the actual 'vin', if not the plate), and maybe the fuel filler and wheels, are from '72. All IMHO, of course.

[ruhall]

wildcat45 said:

http://www.stillmans.co.uk/used-cars/land-rover-ra...

What do the experts reckon to this? Clearly updated interior etc

1972 yet a 4 door body and "UN" plates. Something to do with Torcars of Torrington? They did a one-off rising roof camper based on the Range Rover and also built hatchback Princesses before the Ambassador.

Any thoughts?

I omitted to include the quote in my earlier post

It has an interesting MOT history and appears to have travelled 60k miles between 2008-2011, without any intervening MOTs. Possibly when it was 'restored?'

I note that it comes complete with ABS, was that lot all moved across to the 'original '72 chassis'?

[redchina]

Theres one for sale (rust free is the claim) in Classic throttle shop Sydney.. $25k so around 12-13kGBP.


shipping aint much - go on go on go on.

[squirdan]

a good use of 6 minutes!

Phil Holland is a top guy and all round RRC expert

https://petrolicious.com/films/this-range-rover-is...

[MrMoonyMan]

nickod said:

Hi
Finally joined RRC ownership. Had it a few months - only got it properly a couple of weeks ago after having some work done.

Pretty certain I drove past you this morning.

Huge queue of traffic on the A5

Car looked absolutely great. Had a real presence to it, red looks very well on these it appears.

[DonkeyApple]

squirdan said:

a good use of 6 minutes!

Phil Holland is a top guy and all round RRC expert

https://petrolicious.com/films/this-range-rover-is...

Enjoyed that.

[nickod]

MrMoonyMan said:

nickod said:

Hi
Finally joined RRC ownership. Had it a few months - only got it properly a couple of weeks ago after having some work done.

Pretty certain I drove past you this morning.

Huge queue of traffic on the A5

Car looked absolutely great. Had a real presence to it, red looks very well on these it appears.

Ha! Yes - even more traffic on the way back I'm just home now. Took it to work today. It behaved really well in a lot of traffic jams. Its a keeper.
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[squirdan]

Had forgotten how bloody good these cars sound until my new engine was fired up last week. Stainless sports type exhaust and headers on 4 litre

https://youtu.be/AZvoCOA-DLE

[T-J-C]

I'm having trouble getting the scuttle panel off of my LSE. I've got 3 of the bolts undone (the ones underneath each end) but the last one is just spinning around with the part it bolts into. I've tried holding the part of the wing it bolts into (see image) with mole grips but it doesn't work (doesn't grip tight enough). Has anyone got around this before?

[T-J-C]

Got it off in the end. Bulkhead needs work but nothing disastrous (so far).

[dickyf]

does any have or know where i can get hold of a N/S lower inner door release handle for a sufix a??
mines gone awol
thanks