The Range Rover Classic thread:

[DonkeyApple]

I would think that you want to add the extra to the outer edge. Adding to the inner is likely to cause issues with fouling at the front as the 255 chaps do.

If you're just adding a bit of width then sharing it on both sides should make the smallest change to the geometry etc and frankly if you're just going from 6 to 7 then I'd copy the offset of the later alloys.

I'm not sure you mean banding though as that practice has been pretty much outlawed by most insurers because of the terrible work done in many of the 'scenes'. It also doesn't solve the problem of 16" non off-road tyres getting harder and harder to source and more expensive.

Putting rostyle centres into modern steel 17 or 18 inch rims is the way forward I personally think as the difference has little visual impact but it opens you up to a world of cheap and very good road orientated tyres.

[stevehg1]

squirdan said:

as such one solution is to get some rostyles "banded" ie widened. This is quite common on steel wheels and if done properly perfectly safe (no different after all to welding up a steel chassis).

what I'm confused about is things like offset, ie where does the extra width want to be relative to the wheel centre?

When banding, you need to make sure that as you increase the width of the wheel that you don't go too positive in offset that you start to make contact with bodywork, steering components. Equally you don't want too negative an offset, as it will take the wheel/type combo outside of your arches and put extra stress on hubs etc.

So first of all you decide what tyre width you want to run, then you'll know what width of rim you need. You then need to measure up in situ to work out whether you can get away with one band, or need two either side of the rim face.

If you are going to run a tyre width that fits an existing RRC alloy, an easy cheat is to use this offset and rim width dimensions as you'll know it will be in spec, with no issues in contact or wheel arches. For example if the tyres you want to use fit on an RRC 3 spoke wheel, use this offset and rim width and band the rostyle accordingly.

Remember that even after you have done all of this it's a rim designed for tubes, so it doesn't have the lips for securing the tubeless rims and IIRC some, if not all, rostyles are two pieces riveted together. So you'll need to make sure they don't leak. Obviously, as part of the banding process, you could get them to insert two bands with the tubeless lips at each end of the rim, and seal the rivets.

I hope this helps.

Cheers, Steve

[DonkeyApple]

There are tubeless rostyles I think as well?

[squirdan]

its a minefield thats for sure but thanks for your replies

Weller Wheels were meant to be making new wheels using the rostyle centres. Which I think is similar to what Kingsley used to offer. But AFAIK progress has been close to zero. hence looking at banding. I am not overly keen on it as a solution, then again I know it is often done on Porsches to create 9-11 inch fuchs rear wheels.

Basically I want 235 tyres, Pirelli Scorpion or similar. Am I being thick in concluding the only way I can do that is by fitting later RR alloys, or a widened steel?

this is from their website - a prev customer

cheers

Edited by squirdan on Thursday 10th August 12:07

[DonkeyApple]

The bloke at Weller has been making that claim for at least 8 years.

Kingsley used a chap in East Yorkshire who has since sold up his workshop and now farms pigs.

Damon killed it by locking the bloke in to him and then wanting thousands for a set of wheels so no one could buy any.

Charlie Whatshisname who founded Twisted had a set on a Defender but since he's left I've not found anyone there who knows about them. I suspect he got them from the same source as Damon.

The AR500 that is the original design the Rostyle was licensed from can't be made with the 5x165.1 stud pattern or that would be a superb solution.

Edited by DonkeyApple on Thursday 10th August 12:48

[NomduJour]

Mach 5 wheels near Doncaster was the place - as above, he's no longer in the trade. It's a simple process with the right equipment - surely a viable business for somebody (I've been trying to find someone to put 15" centres into 16" rims for ages - simple job if you were in the US).

[DonkeyApple]

NomduJour said:

Mach 5 wheels near Doncaster was the place - as above, he's no longer in the trade. It's a simple process with the right equipment - surely a viable business for somebody (I've been trying to find someone to put 15" centres into 16" rims for ages - simple job if you were in the US).

That's the chap. Matt Lee. He took over the family farm.

This is a project that I keep coming back to and I have never come close to finding a firm in the UK who will do the work. You can find any old back street bandit willing to cobble together some banded wheels to help you dive off the end of the promenade while showing off your moves to Shaznee and Bazza but trying to find proper engineers seems to get harder with each cold winter.

[squirdan]

heres the twisted one:



I think i am going to try it - its a few hundred quid and I already have the wheels

tubes is not a deal breaker. BMW will sell you a brand new R9T 1200cc motorbike that uses tubes (because its spoked wheels) so if thats TUV friendly in this day and age it cant be an issue

[DonkeyApple]

Just check with your insurance as many seem to have banned banded wheels.

[stevehg1]

DonkeyApple said:

There are tubeless rostyles I think as well?

I thought they were all tubed, but could be wrong. I often am.


I haven't used them personally, but you could try these guys...

https://www.facebook.com/BandedWheelsEssex

Looking at their photo stream, they have experience of doing LR rostyles.

Cheers, Steve

[coetzeeh]

Takes me back - a good friend owned same model and colour in the 80's. Loved it.


for sale here

http://classiccarsonlinesa.co.za/?car=land-rover-r...

[DonkeyApple]

Looks nice. It claims everything is original but it seems improbable that over nearly 40 years the exterior and underside could still look like that? It must have been tarted up?

[Yertis]

CharlesdeGaulle said:

It was BRIXMIS (and SOXMIS for the Russians). Usually Military Police and Int Corps, but very good training for all sorts of ne'er do wells!

Yes BRIXMIS / Int. Actually pretty hairy stuff, but apart from being rammed off the road by tracked APCs and beaten up by Stasi etc, great fun by the sounds of it.

[coetzeeh]

DonkeyApple said:

Looks nice. It claims everything is original but it seems improbable that over nearly 40 years the exterior and underside could still look like that? It must have been tarted up?

agreed - I think vendors sometimes confuse original with unmodified. The sun in South Africa will no doubt necessitated a refresh.

[squirdan]

Quite a nice story in this months LRO

Bloke restored his grandads In Vogue

But...

The blue cars this colour were 2 door?
The first 4 doors were silver or gold
And a 1983 car would have been Derwent Blue

So something doesn't q add up! Maybe they just repainted it in the wrong colour

As for £15k in bits- should have bitten their arm off! (Sentimental value aside)

[squirdan]

Restomod update

- more panels back from paint shop
- new seatbelt mounts welded in
- body off chassis , welding nearly finished then to be painted satin black as per correct 82 spec
- new rear cross member to go on, then chassis cleaned and protected

November??! Can't wait

[squirdan]

Twenty Ten are really cracking on now

New rear cross member welded in

Body off chassis and chassis has been blasted and protected. Should be good for a long time I hope

Edited by squirdan on Friday 18th August 09:45

[dickyf]

Ive just come across a new old stock seat covers for an early range rover. Still in origial LR packaging
i think they are whats known as 'teddy bear' material.
I also have new seat backs
plus what i think are the side covers for suffix A seats..
i don't have a use for them, What are they worth??
i also have the complete front and rear seats and frames all in good condition if not a bit dusty.

[DonkeyApple]

Quite a few thousand. JLR might still be the main buyers as they have spent months trying to procure this sort of kit for their Rangie restoration projects.

[DKL]

I need to put the lettering back on my rr. 94 lse. I now recall looking at them that some kind garage removed the tailgate ones and gave them back to me less the letter G. Great.
So short of buying a bonnet or tailgate with a set on, which I may do, where might I find spares?
They are the raised grey letters, stick on not pins. P38 ones are very similar but not quite the same size.