The Range Rover Classic thread:

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DKL

4,505 posts

223 months

Monday 21st August 2017
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Exhausts; mine is a 94 car with a cat. Do I have to have it if the car will pass emissions without- should be back on gas soon anyway.

squirdan

1,084 posts

148 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2017
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DonkeyApple said:
Quite a few thousand. JLR might still be the main buyers as they have spent months trying to procure this sort of kit for their Rangie restoration projects.
the seat covers look like 1977-80 vintage

the seat backs as you say are teddy bear fabric and they are from a later model - think this came in early-mid 80s

NomduJour

19,165 posts

260 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2017
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DKL said:
They are the raised grey letters
I've seen them on eBay before, otherwise a breaker is probably your best bet.

Re emissions - there's an entry in the MOT emissions book for it, so it will need to meet the prescribed numbers:

http://atrc.net.pk/resources/road_standards/Emissi...

squirdan

1,084 posts

148 months

Tuesday 22nd August 2017
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More progress...

Rust eradicated around arches and posts
Near rear cross member in and painted
Shiny rebuilt R380 5 SPD (defender box) and transfer box in








DKL

4,505 posts

223 months

Wednesday 23rd August 2017
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NomduJour said:
I've seen them on eBay before, otherwise a breaker is probably your best bet.

Re emissions - there's an entry in the MOT emissions book for it, so it will need to meet the prescribed numbers:

http://atrc.net.pk/resources/road_standards/Emissi...
I can meet the emissions ok but its whether the lack of a cat would be an automatic fail regardless of the fuel. Lpg signifies a non cat test so are MOT testers interested in the presence of a cat.
I can't get a definitive answer.

Dr Interceptor

7,810 posts

197 months

Wednesday 23rd August 2017
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DKL said:
I can meet the emissions ok but its whether the lack of a cat would be an automatic fail regardless of the fuel. Lpg signifies a non cat test so are MOT testers interested in the presence of a cat.
I can't get a definitive answer.
The LPG doesn't matter, the tester will just test the vehicle running on whichever fuel it is presented running on.

The LSE will require a CAT test, which means it will need to meet the emissions for vehicles with a catalyst. As far as I'm aware, there is no visual inspection to make sure the CAT is present, but it will need to meet the prescribed emissions requirements.

Have a read on here...

https://www.mot-testing.service.gov.uk/documents/m...

DKL

4,505 posts

223 months

Wednesday 23rd August 2017
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Dr Interceptor said:
The LPG doesn't matter, the tester will just test the vehicle running on whichever fuel it is presented running on.

The LSE will require a CAT test, which means it will need to meet the emissions for vehicles with a catalyst. As far as I'm aware, there is no visual inspection to make sure the CAT is present, but it will need to meet the prescribed emissions requirements.

Have a read on here...

https://www.mot-testing.service.gov.uk/documents/m...
Dr I, the lpg is key here. As you say they test it on whatever you present it on. The LSE is a cat engine so would have a cat test and would have to have cats present as it had them when new and is a post 92 (hence CAT) car. So on petrol there is no debate. Regardless of ns if there are no cats present the car will fail
But lpg is tested with a non cat test and the emission requirements are different to petrol If the car doesn't pass the emissions test on lpg then it fails the MOT. But assuming it passes what is a non cat test, would it fail for the physical lack of cats, even though as a non cat test there is no need for them and hence no visual check is needed.
It depends which takes precedent the age of the vehicle or the fuel related test done.
Its as clear as mud.

Dr Interceptor

7,810 posts

197 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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Last post in this thread is interesting...

https://www.landyzone.co.uk/land-rover/lpg-and-mot...

Suggests that the MOT tester should check the presence of a Cat, even on a non-cat LPG test.

DKL

4,505 posts

223 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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Dr Interceptor said:
Last post in this thread is interesting...

https://www.landyzone.co.uk/land-rover/lpg-and-mot...

Suggests that the MOT tester should check the presence of a Cat, even on a non-cat LPG test.
I found that and almost stopped looking. I use LZ and that chap seems pretty reliable but then I found this from about the same time
http://forums.motester.co.uk/view_topic.php?id=241...

which says the opposite! Now I don't know exactly when rules changed so its possible that year is crucial but anyway I joined the forum to ask for confirmation but no replies as yet.

I don't actually need a new exhaust but a decent stainless system with manifolds is on the list. Occasionally they pop up on ebay but they never have cats. Having a full system made including cats has quite a cost implication over an off the shelf item.
The stock items don't have cats as an option yet are designed for LSEs so to my mind they are unusable yet they seem to sell...
No less confused here!

NomduJour

19,165 posts

260 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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DKL said:

The stock items don't have cats as an option yet are designed for LSEs so to my mind they are unusable yet they seem to sell...
Who would ever buy such a thing? scratchchin

Speaking to the tester would surely be sensible - they all look at things differently.

DKL

4,505 posts

223 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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NomduJour said:
Who would ever buy such a thing? scratchchin

Speaking to the tester would surely be sensible - they all look at things differently.
NDJ - indeed I could but professionals can interpret regulations in different ways so there "should" be a correct answer.
I suppose I could ask a few of them and then choose!
It's starting to become too much trouble mind.


Edited by DKL on Thursday 24th August 22:50

DonkeyApple

Original Poster:

55,591 posts

170 months

Thursday 24th August 2017
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You could ask David Gerald TVR who their local MOT station is? wink

squirdan

1,084 posts

148 months

Thursday 31st August 2017
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slow day at work...casual perusal of a few websites, came across this

unregistered is an odd one for such an old car, but maybe theres a story. (private estate? never went on public roads??)

anyone on here know the car?

whilst it looks very nicely restored, one might think £75k is ambitious

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C864133


squirdan

1,084 posts

148 months

Sunday 3rd September 2017
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Any interest in either of these @£15 each before I try eBay?

1979/80 Brochure with lots of technical details and photos. VGC albeit hole punched

Paint Colour chart with palomino sample. Guessing early - mid 70s. Lincoln Green page has got stuck and not visible










ClaphamGT3

11,324 posts

244 months

Thursday 7th September 2017
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RicksAlfas

13,422 posts

245 months

Thursday 7th September 2017
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DKL

4,505 posts

223 months

Thursday 7th September 2017
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RicksAlfas said:
If what he says is true he isn't making a profit yet! Not the model I'd have chosen to do that to but it does look pretty well new.

akirk

5,405 posts

115 months

Thursday 7th September 2017
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ClaphamGT3 said:
looks like an In Vogue - Gold and coach stripes etc.
I had a 1982 Y reg one identical to that - paid £950 for it back in c. 2000

tempting! but not sure I can justify another one smile

squirdan

1,084 posts

148 months

Thursday 7th September 2017
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akirk said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
looks like an In Vogue - Gold and coach stripes etc.
I had a 1982 Y reg one identical to that - paid £950 for it back in c. 2000

tempting! but not sure I can justify another one smile
I'd say it could be BUT they are meant to have walnut wood door trims with inlays and I cant see inlays here

and I think the coachline is different

I briefly owned a sliver one that was v similar and as someone said at the time, the In Vogue sold out quickly so dealers specced up v similar cars

frankly who knows...I posted up details of a magazine feature on a claimed In Vogue that didnt quite stack up to my mind

for ref my Silver auto same year car, complete but rough went for £600

akirk

5,405 posts

115 months

Thursday 7th September 2017
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you might be right, can't remember mine havig range rover on the rubbing strip below the fuel filler... however it seems to have had some mods anyway - electric windows / roof? so who knows what it started as...

however, according to the DVLA it was Jan 83 and mine was Nov 82, so only a couple of months between them, so I suspect it might have been an In Vogue...