The Range Rover Classic thread:

[CharlesdeGaulle]

CAPP0 said:

Chemical Symbols:

Fe - iron
Fe2O3 - iron oxide!



(Technically the numbers should be subscript but PH doesn't have that formatting)

Thanks. My, er, 'mate' is grateful. Obvs, I knew that all along, but he now feels better.

[CAPP0]

Small update: I've done quite a lot of work to mine recently…..

[Pedro2008]

Pedro2008 said:

further investigation has found this G Reg Classic


which looks like its got the grey lettering
so they were either Grey or Silver

sorry to bring it up again but want to get mine finished as much as I can soon .....has anyone got a definitive answer to the lettering conundrum ? Grey or Silver ...thinking I might just go for the grey as I think they look better anyway

[josh00mac]

Moderator edit: no 'what's it worth' allowed.

Edited by jeremyc on Monday 13th November 10:39

[josh00mac]

[josh00mac]

[josh00mac]

[akirk]

DonkeyApple said:

iDrive said:

iDrive said:

DonkeyApple said:

I think much depends on the Fe : Fe2O3 ratio to be honest. Then it boils down to what hard to replace items need replacing.

Fair comment!

Looks tidy enough tbh.

Price could be £8k (its a white Suffix D), just missing a few bits of trim. Not a fan of the 300TDi - he does have the original V8, not sure if its usable.

If I wanted to put a V8 back in, how much would I expect to pay for a useable unit and then fitting?

To answer my own engine swap question - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RANGE-ROVER-P38-4-0-4-6... - £1600

Again it does all depend how you want to do it. You can slap in a V8 but you might find that there is a lot of fettling with the drive train from the bell housing back to get it back to how it was. It's a difficult question to genuinely answer until the diesel unit is out and you can see how that was done and what's then needed to undo it. If you want originality or opt for a later drive train etc.

That price looks very cheap to:
- collect your car from anywhere in the UK
- take out an engine
- rebuild it completely with new parts
- reassemble
- reinstall
- car valeted
all for £1,600?! I am having a 4.6 rebuilt currently - to go into my LSE and even though I already owned the engine, it and car are both based at the workshop, I am getting a very good hourly rate, it is going to cost me I suspect double that - I have had several engines replace in RRs over the years and never seen anything that cheap - I would budget £2.5k - £3k realistically

[NomduJour]

josh00mac said:

Comments and advice appreciated!

Problem with P38s is that there are still large numbers of neglected and abused ones around, for virtually nothing - I'm sure their time will come, but the market for nice ones at a premium is surely still small (dare I say they still have a bit of an image problem?). There are big variations in price for ostensibly similar cars.

[DKL]

akirk said:

That price looks very cheap to:
- collect your car from anywhere in the UK
- take out an engine
- rebuild it completely with new parts
- reassemble
- reinstall
- car valeted
all for £1,600?! I am having a 4.6 rebuilt currently - to go into my LSE and even though I already owned the engine, it and car are both based at the workshop, I am getting a very good hourly rate, it is going to cost me I suspect double that - I have had several engines replace in RRs over the years and never seen anything that cheap - I would budget £2.5k - £3k realistically

That does seem very cheap for the work being done. I had my 4.2 rebuilt last yr and the bill was 4.5k or so iirc.

[52classic]

NomduJour said:

josh00mac said:

Comments and advice appreciated!

Problem with P38s is that there are still large numbers of neglected and abused ones around, for virtually nothing - I'm sure their time will come, but the market for nice ones at a premium is surely still small (dare I say they still have a bit of an image problem?). There are big variations in price for ostensibly similar cars.

At risk of becoming PH's biggest P38 fan - Now in the second year of ownership I'm delighted with mine. I'd judge it to be the same sort of condition as yours Josh. Same colour and trim too but mine's a diesel. I bought because there was no prospect of finding a classic in comparable condition for my budget and I figured that from such a low threshold P38 prices will only go up...... eventually!

NomduJour is right of course but you need to put a figure on it and having made a bit of a hobby out of monitoring RR ads............
Ignoring the 'chancers' at the silly end of the market I'd say that the best cars, seriously advertised begin as high as £10K but I doubt they sell. A wide choice of nice cars seem to appear AND SELL at around half that. Something with an MOT, still looking tidy but with some of the common faults and you can half that figure again. Then there's a pretty steep drop to what's left in the market and it would be easy to get tempted by the sub 1K stuff - but not if you know anything about P38s!

There!! Having stuck my neck on the line, what say you?

[CAPP0]

NomduJour said:

Problem with P38s is that there are still large numbers of neglected and abused ones around, for virtually nothing - I'm sure their time will come, but the market for nice ones at a premium is surely still small (dare I say they still have a bit of an image problem?). There are big variations in price for ostensibly similar cars.

I was thinking recently, if I could find a genuinely very very good P38, I'd almost consider it as a replacement for the L322 at some point. I've had one, I did like it although it ended up with too many electrical gremlins. There's something rather "grand" about them.

[NomduJour]

I like them a lot, they’re a big step on from a (standard) Classic to drive.

[DonkeyApple]

CAPP0 said:

NomduJour said:

Problem with P38s is that there are still large numbers of neglected and abused ones around, for virtually nothing - I'm sure their time will come, but the market for nice ones at a premium is surely still small (dare I say they still have a bit of an image problem?). There are big variations in price for ostensibly similar cars.

I was thinking recently, if I could find a genuinely very very good P38, I'd almost consider it as a replacement for the L322 at some point. I've had one, I did like it although it ended up with too many electrical gremlins. There's something rather "grand" about them.

I've never been a fan of them but one that works makes for a very good and cheap car. But most don't and are horrific money pits. Buying is like playing Russian roulette with 5 chambers loaded and often it's more like playing with an automatic pistol!

Prices seem to be firming up on them suggesting that if you have the ability to find one of the few good ones then you could have some lovely motoring. And being a NASA level electronics engineer is always going to be a handy skill if you don't have access to Warren Buffett's wallet.

[funrover]

Just thought i would poke my head in lol

Massive RRC fan!!

I haven't seen many Diesel classics in this thread, my old man had a Shire blue Range rover TRB'd vogue with the famous VM diesel.

G27PNF I've been trying to track it forever lol have any of you classic nuts fallen over a classic wearing this plate lol i would love to know it is still alive!

rgds Henry.

[RicksAlfas]

CAPP0 said:

Small update: I've done quite a lot of work to mine recently…..

Come on then, spill the beans!

[task]

CAPP0 said:

I was thinking recently, if I could find a genuinely very very good P38, I'd almost consider it as a replacement for the L322 at some point. I've had one, I did like it although it ended up with too many electrical gremlins. There's something rather "grand" about them.

I bought a 2001 Vogue P38 last year to run alongside the RRC, it's a world apart from the classic although both have their own charms and appeal. Once I'd sorted all the issues out, and there were a few, it's been pleasureable to drive.

[RicksAlfas]

Pedro2008 said:

sorry to bring it up again but want to get mine finished as much as I can soon .....has anyone got a definitive answer to the lettering conundrum ? Grey or Silver ...thinking I might just go for the grey as I think they look better anyway

My parts list shown above and this chap here both say silver.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/292327935947?ul_noapp=tr...

[Pedro2008]

RicksAlfas said:

My parts list shown above and this chap here both say silver.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/292327935947?ul_noapp=tr...

Thanks very much ..ordered a set ...looks just the job !

[NomduJour]

It's a bit more complicated than his list though - for example, my "KA" VIN Ardennes Green LSE has black lettering, not silver: