The Range Rover Classic thread:

[DonkeyApple]

JonathaniTall said:

whats an Overfinch classic worth?
I know its a "how longs a bit o string" question, but I have one and am debating whether to get it renovated, sell it or /junk it?
my 1987 car (conv in '94?) has the chevy v8, uprated transfer box and lots of goodies, but think the head gasket has gone.
has been sat in the garden for few years since fuel pump died, I had some work done on the rust, but......

It's a tough one. You could probably get £50k+ for a low mileage one without rust and fully documented but while rot can be fixed, albeit at a cost, high mileage or a lack of history are going to squeeze the potential value down towards the cost of the resto etc.

The bottom end of the market is probably £5-10 based on amount of work needed and history, mileage.

It's why a lot of dealers will just give them a damn good polish, tart up the interior, spray black wax over the underside, polish a few bits and get it out the door to an unsuspecting victim.

[NomduJour]

Would agree. Recent interest means a lot of cars have made it out of the sheds and fields they probably should have stayed in.

[JonathaniTall]

DonkeyApple said:

It's why a lot of dealers will just give them a damn good polish, tart up the interior, spray black wax over the underside, polish a few bits and get it out the door to an unsuspecting victim.

All too true I'm afraid, couldnt believe the "prices" I saw at the NEC! but, unlike the $%!& that sold me the car I have a conscience.....

[DonkeyApple]

JonathaniTall said:

DonkeyApple said:

It's why a lot of dealers will just give them a damn good polish, tart up the interior, spray black wax over the underside, polish a few bits and get it out the door to an unsuspecting victim.

All too true I'm afraid, couldnt believe the "prices" I saw at the NEC! but, unlike the $%!& that sold me the car I have a conscience.....

I wasn't sure if it was at the NEC or a Dunsfold event last week but I've been told that there was some really rotten stuff being touted on big tickets.

[Dr Interceptor]

Afternoon folks...

No photo updates on my LSE, although it has now gone away for paint. Treating her to a proper job, all the panels are being unmounted and painted inside and out, and all the glass out. We hope to start reassembly in around two weeks, with a finish some time mid-January.

Now, would anyone happen to have a good solid lower tailgate that they'd like to sell? The one on the LSE isn't too bad, and could be repaired, but if there's a solid one out there, I'd be interested.

Cheers folks,

Jon

[stevehg1]

Dr Interceptor said:

Now, would anyone happen to have a good solid lower tailgate that they'd like to sell? The one on the LSE isn't too bad, and could be repaired, but if there's a solid one out there, I'd be interested.

Cheers folks,

Jon

I’ll have a closer look at the one on the donor RRC, as I recall it being in surprisingly good condition compared to the rest. If it’s ok you’re welcome to it foc.

Also, I’m pretty sure Tim Hammond, 07825 490149, has some in good condition.

Cheers, Steve

[Dr Interceptor]

stevehg1 said:

I’ll have a closer look at the one on the donor RRC, as I recall it being in surprisingly good condition compared to the rest. If it’s ok you’re welcome to it foc.

Also, I’m pretty sure Tim Hammond, 07825 490149, has some in good condition.

Cheers, Steve

Thanks Steve, much appreciated.

[Bustedmattress]

ClaphamGT3 said:

squirdan said:

Agree it does look a nice original car that just wants some detailing e.g. Ride height etc

Price wise who knows but there's a lot of white space between his opening bid of £6k and this one

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/262732709902

colours wise for 1982:

Every time I look at this one my flabber is just that little bit more ghasted - non standard colour, wrong wheels, wrong tailgate, wbasto sunroof that is - let's be charitable - an acquired taste, 'needs minor tlc' and all for the bargain price of £28k

I have only just found this thread and have been working my way through hence reading a post from a year ago.

Did a double take when I got to this post. I am looking for a Classic RR and was at Kingsley a few weeks ago to look at what they had. I saw this car on my visit - the same pictures are still on the website. The paint is a lot lighter than it looks in this photo. Definitely a metallic blue. Is that not one of the original colours from that colour chart and therefore original? I was told it is one owner (family - 3 registered keepers) and the paperwork is consistent right down to the original bill of sale. Also how can you tell the tailgate is wrong and how should the wheels look? Sorry all very new to RRs. It had no interior which was away in a box somewhere. The vinyl looks like it has been redone.

Thanks in advance for any replies.

BM

[stevehg1]

Bustedmattress said:

I have only just found this thread and have been working my way through hence reading a post from a year ago.

Did a double take when I got to this post. I am looking for a Classic RR and was at Kingsley a few weeks ago to look at what they had. I saw this car on my visit - the same pictures are still on the website. The paint is a lot lighter than it looks in this photo. Definitely a metallic blue. Is that not one of the original colours from that colour chart and therefore original? I was told it is one owner (family - 3 registered keepers) and the paperwork is consistent right down to the original bill of sale. Also how can you tell the tailgate is wrong and how should the wheels look? Sorry all very new to RRs. It had no interior which was away in a box somewhere. The vinyl looks like it has been redone.

Thanks in advance for any replies.

BM

Is this one in LRO mag this summer? If so, I remember the post as it’s not often I buy LRO, but I bought this copy in August to read on the plane on the way to Stockholm. The article shows an old photo showing the son as a young child with family and the RR is in the same light blue metallic ‘Vogue Blue’, so I think you can safely say the colour is the same as on it originally.

As for the wrong tailgate and wheels, I suspect this means that the tailgate lettering is not the correct lettering style, all black instead of black with white surround (if indeed that is the right one.). The wheels are all silver, they probably should have been grey enamel with a silver rim edge. Both minor things really, and typical items along with the twin coach line stripes that often get overlooked when cars are resprayed/refurbished/rebuilt.

I’m no expert on range rover classics, so for interest I just looked it up in James Taylor’s and Nick Dimbleby’s book. After the initial In Vogue two door model in 1981, there was the ‘The Automatic In Vogue Special Edition’ In 1982 and then in August 1983 there was the ‘In Vogue Special Edition’.

The torqueflite auto was launched in 1982, and the ‘The Automatic In Vogue Special Edition’ was used to promote it’s introduction. Two new colours were introduced, Nevada Gold and Sierra Silver, but it seems you could order them in any current colour. The authors state that it was not a limited edition, and so most four door autos sold at the time were ‘The Automatic In Vogue Special Edition’ models.

The Aug 1983 onwards In Vogue was a limited edition, with 325 sold in UK market. It was now available in both 5 speed manual and auto, but still only a four door model, and as stated above only available in Derwent Blue metallic, which is darker than Vogue Blue.

So going by this, it’s likely that the car in the LRO article, now at Kingsley’s, is an original ‘The Automatic In Vogue Special Edition’ in Vogue Blue and different to the limited edition ‘In Vogue’ Derwent Blue models introduced in August 1983.

Cheers, Steve

Edited by stevehg1 on Friday 1st December 11:58

[Bustedmattress]

stevehg1 said:

Is this one in LRO mag this summer? If so, I remember the post as it’s not often I buy LRO, but I bought this copy in August to read on the plane on the way to Stockholm. The article shows an old photo showing the son as a young child with family and the RR is in the same light blue metallic ‘Vogue Blue’, so I think you can safely say the colour is the same as on it originally.

As for the wrong tailgate and wheels, I suspect this means that the tailgate lettering is not the correct lettering style, all black instead of black with white surround (if indeed that is the right one.). The wheels are all silver, they probably should have been grey enamel with a silver rim edge. Both minor things really, and typical items along with the twin coach line stripes that often get overlooked when cars are resprayed/refurbished/rebuilt.

I’m no expert on range rover classics, so for interest I just looked it up in James Taylor’s and Nick Dimbleby’s book. After the initial In Vogue two door model in 1981, there was the ‘The Automatic In Vogue Special Edition’ In 1982 and then in August 1983 there was the ‘In Vogue Special Edition’.

The torqueflite auto was launched in 1982, and the ‘The Automatic In Vogue Special Edition’ was used to promote it’s introduction. Two new colours were introduced, Nevada Gold and Sierra Silver, but it seems you could order them in any current colour. The authors state that it was not a limited edition, and so most four door autos sold at the time were ‘The Automatic In Vogue Special Edition’ models.

The Aug 1983 onwards In Vogue was a limited edition, with 325 sold in UK market. It was now available in both 5 speed manual and auto, but still only a four door model, and as stated above only available in Derwent Blue metallic, which is darker than Vogue Blue.

So going by this, it’s likely that the car in the LRO article, now at Kingsley’s, is an original ‘The Automatic In Vogue Special Edition’ in Vogue Blue and different to the limited edition ‘In Vogue’ Derwent Blue models introduced in August 1983.

Cheers, Steve

Edited by stevehg1 on Friday 1st December 11:58

Steve, that is really helpful and interesting. I need to read more RR stuff. Thanks

[squirdan]

bit of confusion going on here

the car you are talking about is this one?

http://www.kingsleycars.co.uk/for-sale/project-rrc...

it isnt an In Vogue. if it was, no question Damon would be saying so and woruld probably want more money

the tailgate is the later type - you can tell by the handle, the fixings, and the fact there is no number plate flap (nor the indents)

not saying theres anything wrong with the car and I havent seen it - but its at least 2x the realistic market price

[squirdan]

thats an in Vogue in the correct Derwent Blue and it looks quite different to the Kingsley Car to me?

and ps - as a pointer for you on values...I sold this via Silverstone Auctions this year for £15k

[stevehg1]

squirdan said:

bit of confusion going on here

My bad, I thought it was talking about the In Vogue in LRO a few months ago.

squirdan said:

not saying theres anything wrong with the car and I havent seen it - but its at least 2x the realistic market price

But realistic for Kingsley, they’ve got overheads to cover

[Bustedmattress]

Thanks to you both again. Interesting. I have read a few pointed comments about Kingsley on this thread. Expensive is a reoccurring theme.

[CharlesdeGaulle]

Nothing to do with me, but just saw this on C&C. I like.

http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C843913

[Vixpy1]

I was reminded lasyt night by quite how terrible the dipped beam lights are on the RRC, is there an upgrade that retains as much as possible the standard look ?

[NomduJour]

I swapped to the complex-reflector Wipacs, with Philips Racing Vision bulbs - made a big difference (you can see where you're going now), but they're still nothing like modern proper LEDs etc.

The plain lens looks slightly different from standard, but if you didn't know, you'd never notice. Might put some relays in and wire them to the battery next - don't like the look of the LED replacement headlights at all.

[NomduJour]

They're Wipac product no. S6071, about £40 a pair.

[Dr Interceptor]

I have the same issue, not so much on the RRC, but on the other classics.

The lamps on the Beetle are old sealed beam units, and are absolutely terrible. As he's currently going through a bit of a resto-mod program, I've ordered a set of these....

https://vintagecarleds.com/7-inch-round-headlights...

Expensive, and from the states, but I couldn't see many people doing a similar product that retains the stock OEM look. They even do an german Hella glass lens option. I'm taking it on a road trip through Europe next November, so the additional safety of some good headlights is pretty priceless.

They haven't arrived yet, but will let you know what they're like when they arrive.

[Purso]

Anyone know someone decent that would do a pre purchase inspection in surrey?

Thanks