The Range Rover Classic thread:
Discussion
I quite fancy one of these in my garage again - I had an '81 4 door and a '71 which had been bobtailed
My old man had about 4 I think, including LPG conversions and a TDi conversion back in the day
I've been keeping my eye on Deafener prices, but they seem to have gone stratospheric, so back to a Classic
Whenever I see one advertised, it looks like something that would have scraped £1k in the classifieds, not £10k being asked for now
I'm pretty familiar with them (reliability seems to have been wiped from my memory though) but I don't want to be out every weekend looking at dross
There's a place near Northampton that seems to have a warehouse full of them in various states of disrepair, are they a known dealer?
I have seen an LSE that would be in budget, but it may have just been tarted up
Anyway, interesting thread!
My old man had about 4 I think, including LPG conversions and a TDi conversion back in the day
I've been keeping my eye on Deafener prices, but they seem to have gone stratospheric, so back to a Classic
Whenever I see one advertised, it looks like something that would have scraped £1k in the classifieds, not £10k being asked for now
I'm pretty familiar with them (reliability seems to have been wiped from my memory though) but I don't want to be out every weekend looking at dross
There's a place near Northampton that seems to have a warehouse full of them in various states of disrepair, are they a known dealer?
I have seen an LSE that would be in budget, but it may have just been tarted up
Anyway, interesting thread!
I drove that one of Damon's a few years back. It went, stopped and cornered pretty well for a big beast as I recall. I don't think there were many done but certainly not just one. Thinking back this must be 3 or 4 iirc.
£15k seems ok if its all together; a classic 570 is going to be more but, dare I say it is only a disco. A bit like sending the ugly sister to Vidal Sassoon's, it only gets so desirable.
£15k seems ok if its all together; a classic 570 is going to be more but, dare I say it is only a disco. A bit like sending the ugly sister to Vidal Sassoon's, it only gets so desirable.
NomduJour said:
Sounds a good spec.Looked a lot better on the original wheels!
A (currently) hypothetical question for you expert types if I may.
As mentioned, mine passed it's MOT at the weekend, but it's less than lovely underneath. It got through but it will need more work. At a rough estimate I would say:
- One, or both sills. I have a receipt from the previous owner dated in fairly recent years staying that it had new sills welded on, but it didn't. Not quite sure how he was scammed but these are no way replacements. Both needed patches for the MOT, and one side is spalled on the lip.
- Both inner wings. Again, both have been patched, and on one side the lip is spalled again (strangely, the same side as the sill).
- The rear wheel arch towards the chassis on one side is not lovely.
- I can see that a couple of the body mounts aren't great.
- Neither of the front footwells are in showroom condition
As far as I know the chassis is solid - I haven't seen anything and the MOT man didn't mention it. So, it's all bodywork. Obviously there may be more which reveals itself later but given the above, if I were to hand it to someone and say "please fix all this", without any paintwork, can anyone give me the broadest ballpark figure of what I would be looking at? As in, £3k? £10k? £20k? And do you think the best approach would be body off? I know it's a "piece of string" question but would be good to get some idea.
I can fit pieces of metal into gaps where there used to be metal and attach them with a MIG welder, but I'm certainly no coded welder, and without a workshop or a pit the above tasks are going to be too much for me to take on myself. I'm just wondering whether to bite the bullet and have it all done properly now, or coax it along with a bit of patching here & there.
It's a 91 Vogue SE 3.9, with a proper certified LPG conversion and 110k showing. Other than the lack of power which I mentioned the other day and which I should be able to sort, it drives rather nicely. I'm enjoying it. The interior needs a bit of tidying (headlining, for instance) but it feels quite "useable"- I haven't done 100 miles in it since I bought it but I'll use it again this weekend and I'm considering taking it away on the Xmas trip to the rellies in Suffolk.
The other option of course is to sell it and spend the proceeds on my Defender! I do realise that if I keep both I will have the eternal dichotomy of which to use, and the Defender only does about 3k p.a. as it is. But I don't like parting with my vehicles!
Cheers chaps.
As mentioned, mine passed it's MOT at the weekend, but it's less than lovely underneath. It got through but it will need more work. At a rough estimate I would say:
- One, or both sills. I have a receipt from the previous owner dated in fairly recent years staying that it had new sills welded on, but it didn't. Not quite sure how he was scammed but these are no way replacements. Both needed patches for the MOT, and one side is spalled on the lip.
- Both inner wings. Again, both have been patched, and on one side the lip is spalled again (strangely, the same side as the sill).
- The rear wheel arch towards the chassis on one side is not lovely.
- I can see that a couple of the body mounts aren't great.
- Neither of the front footwells are in showroom condition
As far as I know the chassis is solid - I haven't seen anything and the MOT man didn't mention it. So, it's all bodywork. Obviously there may be more which reveals itself later but given the above, if I were to hand it to someone and say "please fix all this", without any paintwork, can anyone give me the broadest ballpark figure of what I would be looking at? As in, £3k? £10k? £20k? And do you think the best approach would be body off? I know it's a "piece of string" question but would be good to get some idea.
I can fit pieces of metal into gaps where there used to be metal and attach them with a MIG welder, but I'm certainly no coded welder, and without a workshop or a pit the above tasks are going to be too much for me to take on myself. I'm just wondering whether to bite the bullet and have it all done properly now, or coax it along with a bit of patching here & there.
It's a 91 Vogue SE 3.9, with a proper certified LPG conversion and 110k showing. Other than the lack of power which I mentioned the other day and which I should be able to sort, it drives rather nicely. I'm enjoying it. The interior needs a bit of tidying (headlining, for instance) but it feels quite "useable"- I haven't done 100 miles in it since I bought it but I'll use it again this weekend and I'm considering taking it away on the Xmas trip to the rellies in Suffolk.
The other option of course is to sell it and spend the proceeds on my Defender! I do realise that if I keep both I will have the eternal dichotomy of which to use, and the Defender only does about 3k p.a. as it is. But I don't like parting with my vehicles!
Cheers chaps.
Edited by CAPP0 on Tuesday 12th December 11:48
akirk said:
sell the defender and fix the rangie 
a rr is far more comfortable and can do anything the defender can do...
True, very true, but the Defender is a member of the family! Also, we cart the dogs around in it and you can't turn a hose on the interior of a RR! a rr is far more comfortable and can do anything the defender can do...
Edited by CAPP0 on Tuesday 12th December 12:57
CAPP0 said:
A (currently) hypothetical question for you expert types if I may.
As mentioned, mine passed it's MOT at the weekend, but it's less than lovely underneath. It got through but it will need more work. At a rough estimate I would say:
- One, or both sills. I have a receipt from the previous owner dated in fairly recent years staying that it had new sills welded on, but it didn't. Not quite sure how he was scammed but these are no way replacements. Both needed patches for the MOT, and one side is spalled on the lip.
- Both inner wings. Again, both have been patched, and on one side the lip is spalled again (strangely, the same side as the sill).
- The rear wheel arch towards the chassis on one side is not lovely.
- I can see that a couple of the body mounts aren't great.
- Neither of the front footwells are in showroom condition
As far as I know the chassis is solid - I haven't seen anything and the MOT man didn't mention it. So, it's all bodywork. Obviously there may be more which reveals itself later but given the above, if I were to hand it to someone and say "please fix all this", without any paintwork, can anyone give me the broadest ballpark figure of what I would be looking at? As in, £3k? £10k? £20k? And do you think the best approach would be body off? I know it's a "piece of string" question but would be good to get some idea.
I can fit pieces of metal into gaps where there used to be metal and attach them with a MIG welder, but I'm certainly no coded welder, and without a workshop or a pit the above tasks are going to be too much for me to take on myself. I'm just wondering whether to bite the bullet and have it all done properly now, or coax it along with a bit of patching here & there.
It's a 91 Vogue SE 3.9, with a proper certified LPG conversion and 110k showing. Other than the lack of power which I mentioned the other day and which I should be able to sort, it drives rather nicely. I'm enjoying it. The interior needs a bit of tidying (headlining, for instance) but it feels quite "useable"- I haven't done 100 miles in it since I bought it but I'll use it again this weekend and I'm considering taking it away on the Xmas trip to the rellies in Suffolk.
The other option of course is to sell it and spend the proceeds on my Defender! I do realise that if I keep both I will have the eternal dichotomy of which to use, and the Defender only does about 3k p.a. as it is. But I don't like parting with my vehicles!
Cheers chaps.
Without paint I'd guesstimate more than 5 but less than 10 to do it properly. Sills you can get to, inner wings that's bonnet/decker wings off, rear arches are accessable. What about the boot floor and the cross member?As mentioned, mine passed it's MOT at the weekend, but it's less than lovely underneath. It got through but it will need more work. At a rough estimate I would say:
- One, or both sills. I have a receipt from the previous owner dated in fairly recent years staying that it had new sills welded on, but it didn't. Not quite sure how he was scammed but these are no way replacements. Both needed patches for the MOT, and one side is spalled on the lip.
- Both inner wings. Again, both have been patched, and on one side the lip is spalled again (strangely, the same side as the sill).
- The rear wheel arch towards the chassis on one side is not lovely.
- I can see that a couple of the body mounts aren't great.
- Neither of the front footwells are in showroom condition
As far as I know the chassis is solid - I haven't seen anything and the MOT man didn't mention it. So, it's all bodywork. Obviously there may be more which reveals itself later but given the above, if I were to hand it to someone and say "please fix all this", without any paintwork, can anyone give me the broadest ballpark figure of what I would be looking at? As in, £3k? £10k? £20k? And do you think the best approach would be body off? I know it's a "piece of string" question but would be good to get some idea.
I can fit pieces of metal into gaps where there used to be metal and attach them with a MIG welder, but I'm certainly no coded welder, and without a workshop or a pit the above tasks are going to be too much for me to take on myself. I'm just wondering whether to bite the bullet and have it all done properly now, or coax it along with a bit of patching here & there.
It's a 91 Vogue SE 3.9, with a proper certified LPG conversion and 110k showing. Other than the lack of power which I mentioned the other day and which I should be able to sort, it drives rather nicely. I'm enjoying it. The interior needs a bit of tidying (headlining, for instance) but it feels quite "useable"- I haven't done 100 miles in it since I bought it but I'll use it again this weekend and I'm considering taking it away on the Xmas trip to the rellies in Suffolk.
The other option of course is to sell it and spend the proceeds on my Defender! I do realise that if I keep both I will have the eternal dichotomy of which to use, and the Defender only does about 3k p.a. as it is. But I don't like parting with my vehicles!
Cheers chaps.
Edited by CAPP0 on Tuesday 12th December 11:48
Obviously it depends who does it - big firm, top end, local one man band lower but which is better would be down to research and the individuals
As I say its a guestimate but I did most of that with paint in a couple of stages and probably paid 10-12 along the way.
CAPP0 said:
A (currently) hypothetical question for you expert types if I may.
As mentioned, mine passed it's MOT at the weekend, but it's less than lovely underneath. It got through but it will need more work. At a rough estimate I would say:
- One, or both sills. I have a receipt from the previous owner dated in fairly recent years staying that it had new sills welded on, but it didn't. Not quite sure how he was scammed but these are no way replacements. Both needed patches for the MOT, and one side is spalled on the lip.
- Both inner wings. Again, both have been patched, and on one side the lip is spalled again (strangely, the same side as the sill).
- The rear wheel arch towards the chassis on one side is not lovely.
- I can see that a couple of the body mounts aren't great.
- Neither of the front footwells are in showroom condition
As far as I know the chassis is solid
The majority of the work you’ve mentioned can be done in situ, you’ll just need to remove the sill covers, carpets and some of the outer panels. As you can weld, I’d recommend doing it yourself, as all the relevant panels are readily available from YRM, EasyOn etc. As mentioned, mine passed it's MOT at the weekend, but it's less than lovely underneath. It got through but it will need more work. At a rough estimate I would say:
- One, or both sills. I have a receipt from the previous owner dated in fairly recent years staying that it had new sills welded on, but it didn't. Not quite sure how he was scammed but these are no way replacements. Both needed patches for the MOT, and one side is spalled on the lip.
- Both inner wings. Again, both have been patched, and on one side the lip is spalled again (strangely, the same side as the sill).
- The rear wheel arch towards the chassis on one side is not lovely.
- I can see that a couple of the body mounts aren't great.
- Neither of the front footwells are in showroom condition
As far as I know the chassis is solid
Mine needed both seatbelt mounts in the rear arches, part of rear LHS window frame, front top part of RHS sill, part of front RHS footwell, and small amount on front RHS inner wing. That was probably about 10 hours max of welding/fab. So about £500-800 inc VAT depending on where you take it to. The 10 hours didn’t include any prep or post welding cleanup and painting.
I used pieces from two rear arch panels, one footwell panel and fabricated section for the rear window frame, so about £120 inc VAT & P&P
The only problematic ones are the body mounts, especially the front two in the engine compartment. Fortunately all my body mounts were in A1 condition. You may want to get a shop to do this as they can lift the body to provide good access.
Cheers
Steve
CAPP0 said:
akirk said:
sell the defender and fix the rangie
a rr is far more comfortable and can do anything the defender can do...
True, very true, but the Defender is a member of the family! Also, we cart the dogs around in it and you can't turn a hose on the interior of a RR! a rr is far more comfortable and can do anything the defender can do...
Edited by CAPP0 on Tuesday 12th December 12:57
member of the family - far more challenging - if there is that emotive connection, then keep the defender!
DonkeyApple said:
Great colour. Nice looking car. I had a K reg one just like it. Jewish Racing Gold.
Just never google ‘man shagging gold Range Rover’.
Thanks. Not a colour you see around anymore! Officially Roman Bronze but definitely Jewish Racing Gold!!Just never google ‘man shagging gold Range Rover’.
I don't think I'll be looking for that at work...Compliance field day!
MacArms1 said:
So I finally took the plunge...given up being a long time lurker here and bought my first Range Rover classic.
Its Roman Bronze with c 27k on the clock and seems to be pretty sound.
First step is to get it somewhere for a full change of fluids and a check over. Any alternatives in Warwickshire/Oxfordshire to Twenty Ten or are they the place to go?
I also want to get on and waxoyl it...any thoughts?
I wouldn’t worry about taking it to a RR specialist, as any good local Land Rover independent will be able to do a full service and fluid change.Its Roman Bronze with c 27k on the clock and seems to be pretty sound.
First step is to get it somewhere for a full change of fluids and a check over. Any alternatives in Warwickshire/Oxfordshire to Twenty Ten or are they the place to go?
I also want to get on and waxoyl it...any thoughts?
You might want to change the spark plugs and HT leads and check all of the pipes and hoses too. Also, the cabin air intake replacement foams, accessed via the scuttle panel, are available online or from places like famous four.
Given the low mileage, and if it’s not had waxoyl before, personally I would recommend a clear exterior wax like Bilt Hamber’s Dynax UC for chassis and inner wings, underbody etc. Being low mileage and original, you don’t really want to coat everything underneath in waxoyl.
For inside the chassis and the body box sections, dinitrol 3125 or bilt hamber’s dynax s-50 are much better than waxoyl and easier to apply, especially in winter. Best process is to clean inside chassis, leave to fully dry, coat with RC900 (metal temp must be above 10 deg C) wait at least 24 hours to gas out, then coat with 3125 or S-50.
I’ve just recently coated the inside of my chassis, body sills and box sections with RC900 and Dynax S-50, unfortunately there’s naturally not much to see, but you get an idea of the coverage on the rear chassis ends...
Have fun with your new purchase and again lovely colour.
Cheers, Steve
Another In Vogue up for sale:
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2...
Suspect it could need a lot of work.
https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2...
Suspect it could need a lot of work.
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