The Range Rover Classic thread:

[DKL]

T-J-C said:

I was going to buy a kit to refurbish the suspension compressor in my LSE. I can only find kits for the P38. Am I correct in thinking the parts are the same? I’m looking at seals and rubber mounts.

There doesn’t appear to be anything wrong with my pump currently. Would I be better off leaving it alone rather than change the seals? I’m getting a lot of vibration and noise when the pump is running so I think the mounts will need changing.

It's been a while but I bought a recon kit and did mine. It was only a few o rings and the seal for the piston. IIRC the p38 pump has the outlet in a slightly different place to the soft dash but that they are the same unit. And of course they put them sensibly under the bonnet not hidden on the chassis rail. I'd be tempted to run a pair of pumps in parallel. It will (obviously) relieve the stress on one unit but maintains pressure and runs the pumps for far less time.

[FMB123]

For those interested in getting their Classics looking as original as possible. Michelin have finally reproduced their XM+S 244 Tyre 205/80r16.

A friend of mine has just received his set - photos below.

I have ordered today from www.longstonetyres.co.uk with expected delivery tomorrow.

[cayman-black]

FMB how much are these as i can't seem to find them on the site, thx.

[FMB123]

I paid £615 for 4 inc. next day delivery. Best give them a ring, i spoke to a chap called Simon who was very helpful.

Have received confirmation they will arrive today, and will get some pics up when fitted.

[T-J-C]

cayman-black said:

FMB how much are these as i can't seem to find them on the site, thx.

https://www.longstonetyres.co.uk/tyres/205-16.html

[cayman-black]

Thanks all. Seems you got a good deal FMB

[FMB123]

New Michelin XM+S 244's fitted.

[DonkeyApple]

Time for a small conundrum?

Mystery grinding noise on heavy right hand turn in. So for example, taking third exit on a smallish roundabout at pace. Front near side is right down and something is causing a grinding noise.

The same noise, not grinding, also appears if the left hand front wheels hits a pothole or dip.

The noise is a bit tinny and scratchy. When it’s trigged by the road surface it sounds just like an exhaust section grounding. On hard cornering when it is continuous it sounds like a dustbin lid being forced into the ground and dragged.

This is clearly linked to the 1” dropped springs and comes from the front near side corner.

The front axle has been fully rebuilt. An ARB fitted. New heavy duty steering damper, harmonic damper. New bushes all round. Exhaust is new and rock solid

On looking underneath I cannot see any signs of anything rubbing. It’s something mechanical and at least one part must be moving to cause the continuous sound. But I cannot see any marks or for the life of me work out where it is.

Any guesses?

[NomduJour]

Brake disc shield?

[DonkeyApple]

NomduJour said:

Brake disc shield?

That was my initial thought as the gauge of the metal is about right for the noise but there are no marks on either. And no moveable part that could get close to it.

There are no signs of the wheel rubbing on anything either.

It’s a proper puzzle at the moment.

[TarquinMX5]

Broken or incorrectly seated spring? - though not sure it would 'grind'. Presumably no unusual noise when braking, otherwise grit wedged in pads / pad material breaking away from backing plate could cause a grinding noise.

[RobXjcoupe]

Loose anti roll bar link would give a metallic grind noise as the suspension is up and down on one side but would also creak in a straight line.

[cayman-black]

cayman-black said:

This classic is up for bids, wonder what price it will achieve?
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1993-range-rov...

Sold for £21650 plus 6% commission.

[paintman]

DonkeyApple said:

NomduJour said:

Brake disc shield?

That was my initial thought as the gauge of the metal is about right for the noise but there are no marks on either. And no moveable part that could get close to it.

There are no signs of the wheel rubbing on anything either.

It’s a proper puzzle at the moment.

Spring moving against its seat? - squirt of lubricant might help, if it stops you've found it.
Spring side rubbing against the sides of the seat?

[Purso]

cayman-black said:

cayman-black said:

This classic is up for bids, wonder what price it will achieve?
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1993-range-rov...

Sold for £21650 plus 6% commission.

Thats a good result! Need to get mine finished now and sold.

[DonkeyApple]

RobXjcoupe said:

Loose anti roll bar link would give a metallic grind noise as the suspension is up and down on one side but would also creak in a straight line.

Thanks. Checked all that early on as retrofitted arbs can sometimes foul and we did put some spaces in on the mounting points just to pull it away a bit more but it wasn’t the cause.

[DonkeyApple]

paintman said:

Spring moving against its seat? - squirt of lubricant might help, if it stops you've found it.
Spring side rubbing against the sides of the seat?

TarquinMX5 said:

Broken or incorrectly seated spring? - though not sure it would 'grind'. Presumably no unusual noise when braking, otherwise grit wedged in pads / pad material breaking away from backing plate could cause a grinding noise.

The new springs definitely play a part in that they are one inch lower but I can’t work out why they would be directly involved in an ongoing scraping/grinding noise when lent over. If the noise was just when hitting bumps then they would be among my list of prime suspects.

[RobXjcoupe]

Have you altered the pulley arrangement on the engine? You may have clearance sitting still with the bonnet open but might be touching when moving on the engine mounts and the body flexing slightly too. Might be a bracket touching and transferring the engine vibration through the chassis or body.

[MrMoonyMan]

Morning all.

I have finally bitten the bullet with my ‘89 to get all the welding done. At 4.00 this morning whilst dealing with a crying baby I realised that now would be a good time to add front and rear anti roll bars.

As my car never had them from new I am of the understanding that you need brackets to be welded on.

Looking around it appears YRM do a bracket set and Britpart do both a yellow and a black anti roll bar set which appear the same, bar colour. My preference would be black.

Before I go ahead and order these. Is there anything more I should know or are there any better kits out there?

Car is predominantly a road car and might have a bigger engine many years from now.

Thanks

[DonkeyApple]

RobXjcoupe said:

Have you altered the pulley arrangement on the engine? You may have clearance sitting still with the bonnet open but might be touching when moving on the engine mounts and the body flexing slightly too. Might be a bracket touching and transferring the engine vibration through the chassis or body.

Thanks. We did give the engine a good pull about to ensure it wasn’t moving. The noise typically happens off power as it’s on a sharp turn in.

This may well be a red herring and it certainly offers no logic to me but the other day we fitted the new heavier duty steering damper, added the harmonic weight and also took out a bit of slack in the steering box and now I’ve been driving it around for a couple of days the grinding on the usual bumps at the usual speed has eased. Some still do it but the smaller ones aren’t.

I can fix the issue by just putting standard height springs back on. And rather than blues all round I have a set of red and white for the rear and greens for the front so the stance would be right and they’d be a little firmer than standard. But the tide on the one inch drop is exactly what I want, plus it is safer.