Bugatti Owners Club - DVLA - Crackdown on old cars

[v8250]

Willhire89 said:

Just to be clear - do you condone the registration (with historic status) of brand new 'pur sang' 35B's?

Unfortunately certain Clubs and individuals in the business of assisting registration have made this happen.

Yes, I do support the manufacturing and sale of 'new' classic/period cars. My view is simple, if it aids and supports continuous development of the classic/historic car movement I see little wrong with this type of development, ala the new Lightweight E-Types, the Lancia D-50's of a few years back, the ASM's DBR1, Lynx/CKL D-Types, XKSS et al. The issue I have is not with the super special marques and models, it's the extreme risk that we...the supportive enthusiasts...allow, through negligent apathy, UK Govt and DVLA to railroad through disproportionately heavy handed and wholly unecessary legislation.

[Willhire89]

v8250 said:

negligent apathy stuff

Unfortunately the negligence is not on the side of DVLA who have essentially been deceived. I realise that doesn't fit with your EU conspiracy theory

The 'pur sangs' are obviously not historic cars and should never have been afforded that status - it was bound to end in tears.

[v8250]

SirTK said:

Olivera said:

v8250 said:

This. I trust my fellow PH'ers are aware of the draconian changes that classic car owners in France, Germany, Holland and Switzerland have had to swallow over the past years.

Please elaborate.

I'll elaborate by cut 'n pasting from the Department for Transport website;

"What’s changed?

In Great Britain all vehicles manufactured before 1960 are exempt from regular road-worthiness testing. A new EU Directive changes the rules around this. The new rules allow member states to exempt vehicles from testing if they:

are at least 30 years old
haven’t had substantial changes made to them
This means that, if we wish to continue to exempt classic vehicles from regular testing, we’ll need to update UK law to reflect EU law".

unquote

In other words, we have to do what Europe tells us to do.

Unless we vote to leave, and have common sense restored to us.

If not, the DVLA have to continue to act like automatons and do as they are told by some European people that we didn't get to elect.

You choose. And remember - it's not just about some old cars.......

Thank you, Sir Kind Knight Though sadly, we know that common sense is not very common; in fact it appears to be a very rare commodity these days.

[v8250]

Willhire89 said:

v8250 said:

negligent

Unfortunately the negligence is not on the side of DVLA who have essentially been deceived. I realise that doesn't fit with your EU conspiracy theory

The 'pur sangs' are obviously not historic cars and should never have been afforded that status - it was bound to end in tears.

Willhire89, I fear you are taking my individual words out of context of the original subject matter. And please remember, don't shoot the messenger...one never knows when a return message requires sending.

Now, looking at your profile you clearly have a strong interest in all things Bugatti...and an admirable interest the Molsheim motors are. But, Bugatti's aside, it's the overall proposal/s that are at issue here and should be of considerable concern for all. We, and that includes any VSCC member/pre-war owner, need to keep track of any regulatory changes that UK Govt and DVLA sneak in under the radar. We, as a group of enthusiasts, must not permit wholesale adoption of EU-centric regulation that quickly becomes law; this is my primary concern.

[Willhire89]

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[Willhire89]

anonymous said:

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I think they knew a while ago that the cat was out of the bag...

O/T: Did you ever write up the article on John B's Corre you scanned for the Gazette?

Edited by Willhire89 on Sunday 21st June 22:33

[Willhire89]

anonymous said:

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You write it - I promise we'll print it!

[SirTK]

Willhire89 said:

SirTK said:

EU stuff

I'll ask you too then - do you condone the registration (with historic status) of brand new 'pur sang' 35B's?

Just to clarify where I'm at, I'm afraid I'm not up with the Bugatti issue. But to answer your question, an EXACT replica of a beautiful thing is still a beautiful thing. In other marques, the term "Continuation Car" is used. I see little wrong with that (and quite a lot right) if it helps to keep the marque alive, so long as there is no confusion between the original and the re-creation.

But all of my words so far have been to try to clarify that the UK Govt and the DVLA are not the culprits here. They are merely following a European Directive which is a lead-in to a major change that will be coming soon. There's no conspiracy theory, it's there on the Dept of Transport website.

I take issue with our authorities only in that they insist on slavishly following every European demand whereas other member states are happy to cherry-pick to suit their own situations. And I regret our inability to do anything about it just yet.

[lowdrag]

I am scratching my head as to how to get the E-type toqualify. Has anyone got any 1961 air to put in the tyres please? As many of you know; the car is as original as trigger's broom so will have no other worries as far as officialdom is concerned. But this air problem is worrying since it will be reregistered as on a 15 plate.

ETA I am also looking up scrap aluminium prices to get an estimated value of the XKSS.

Edited by lowdrag on Monday 22 June 08:29

[dartissimus]

lowdrag said:

I am scratching my head as to how to get the E-type toqualify. Has anyone got any 1961 air to put in the tyres please? As many of you know; the car is as original as trigger's broom so will have no other worries as far as officialdom is concerned. But this air problem is worrying since it will be reregistered as on a 15 plate.

ETA I am also looking up scrap aluminium prices to get an estimated value of the XKSS.

Edited by lowdrag on Monday 22 June 08:29

Hot air of course, is VATable, second hand is exempt; hope this helps.

[DonkeyApple]

What I'm confused about it is whether this impacts all cars exempt from VED or the subsect of older cars that are exempt from the MOT?

[DonkeyApple]

anonymous said:

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So, with a '72 car for example, every MOT would then require a test for 8 points each year?

[DonkeyApple]

anonymous said:

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Thanks. I'm in the middle of converting my manual to an auto which I assume once done I must inform the DVLA but is this going to trigger a points inspection even under the current rules?

[bsaa7]

A little bit off the topic but still relevant. I have a car project on the go. It has the number plate, stamped chassis, both axles, steering box and some other bits and bobs. No registration document. I know it dates from the early 30's due to chassis type and number matching that year. I am building it up with whatever bits I can but I am worried how the DVLA would view it and what hoops I would have to jump through. As I understand it, it first has to be built then inspected and then issued probably with an age related number(not a problem), but some info suggests it would be treated as a 'new' car and tested under current regs for cars(this build is intended to be a 1930's two seater sportish car).
I cannot get proof of the reg history as the Germans kindly bombed the london car reg records during the war. The owners club of that model could say the chassis number matches a particular period in time but beyond that not alot else. It came as a kit car from 1950/60's but I ditched the fibreglass body as it was to far gone. So after along winded mail any clues.?
BTW its a few years off finished so no mad hurry

[lowdrag]

I've speed-read some of the above, and feel the UK seems to be hidebound by our European masters. I'dlove to see, as here in France, a Rolling 25 year rule for the MOT which then brings with it a 5 year MOT requirement, but I am concerned for the replicas that are out there. My Lynx is, according to the V5, still an E-type, the departed C-type was an XK120 roadster, but I use these as examples. There are thousands of replicas of all shapes and sizes out there, so what is to become of these? France won't let me register the XKSS since it isn't homomgated, yet it dépends on the department since I've seen two Lynx cars registered for exqmple. But I digress; what do the new rules mean for us replica people?

[v8250]

lowdrag said:

But I digress; what do the new rules mean for us replica people?

Tony, potentially, a bucket load of trouble if the full proposals go through. Similarly with any component that's not original to a 'period' car as per the original specification. A+

[Willhire89]

lowdrag said:

What do the new rules mean for us replica people?

An IVA test.....and maybe a Q plate

Edited by Willhire89 on Tuesday 23 June 19:20

[a8hex]

Surely they can't retrospectively ban something. I didn't think the generally accepted principles allowed for this.

[Willhire89]

v8250 said:

... if the full proposals go through.

I'm not sure what you mean by proposals going through?

Put bluntly - the DVLA believe that a large number of vehicles may have been misrepresented to them to obtain/retain age related marks and they are vowing to correct that position.

The Bugatti mark has been the first to be re-examined and others will follow.

The problems vary from brand new cars to those with new (and different from original) shells with some old parts to largely original vehicles with replacement parts. The first two represent those likely to lose out.

[DonkeyApple]

lowdrag said:

I've speed-read some of the above, and feel the UK seems to be hidebound by our European masters. I'dlove to see, as here in France, a Rolling 25 year rule for the MOT which then brings with it a 5 year MOT requirement, but I am concerned for the replicas that are out there. My Lynx is, according to the V5, still an E-type, the departed C-type was an XK120 roadster, but I use these as examples. There are thousands of replicas of all shapes and sizes out there, so what is to become of these? France won't let me register the XKSS since it isn't homomgated, yet it dépends on the department since I've seen two Lynx cars registered for exqmple. But I digress; what do the new rules mean for us replica people?

Arguably, it seems toean that your membership will swell by a vast amount as a huge number of historics essentially become replicas?