Another mystery car
Discussion
Bored this evening so jumped down this rabbit hole again
I'd been drawn down the Harrington Alpine route for a while - so have others apparently...
https://forum.retro-rides.org/thread/191783/myster...
Interesting geeking - apologies if its been cross posted before
I'd been drawn down the Harrington Alpine route for a while - so have others apparently...
https://forum.retro-rides.org/thread/191783/myster...
Interesting geeking - apologies if its been cross posted before
Meanwhile, further west on Oxford Street in the same year ...
What are the chances of finding pics on pinterest or Flicka from around that date that would have the mystery car in - pretty much nil I guess.
Roger Moore mid left forsaking the North Circular and deciding to drive through town on his way to Elstree for the next episode of The Saint.
What are the chances of finding pics on pinterest or Flicka from around that date that would have the mystery car in - pretty much nil I guess.
Roger Moore mid left forsaking the North Circular and deciding to drive through town on his way to Elstree for the next episode of The Saint.
This late 1960s video from YouTube goes right past Vere Street. Well worth a look just for the atmosphere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sFMahjCLq8[url]
The mystery car was photographed on the corner outside the Bank of Scotland, maybe 6 years earlier.
Clip from kinolibrary.com
Notes below the video state
"bus adverts for the film 'Grand Prix' which was released in March 1967 and the bus (RM1301 301CLT) was on that route Dec 1962 to May 1967"
Marshall & Snellgrove, the large building behind the taxi and Honda moped in the top picture (later demolished, the site is now Debenhams) has the large canopy seen over the entrance on the right in our original 'photo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sFMahjCLq8[url]
The mystery car was photographed on the corner outside the Bank of Scotland, maybe 6 years earlier.
Clip from kinolibrary.com
Notes below the video state
"bus adverts for the film 'Grand Prix' which was released in March 1967 and the bus (RM1301 301CLT) was on that route Dec 1962 to May 1967"
Marshall & Snellgrove, the large building behind the taxi and Honda moped in the top picture (later demolished, the site is now Debenhams) has the large canopy seen over the entrance on the right in our original 'photo.
Edited by borrani72 on Sunday 2nd May 14:24
eldar said:
Don't think so, the crease in the front wing looks too straight, and the hub caps wrong.
What is the yellow thing on the rear of the offside front wing of the car?
What is the yellow thing on the rear of the offside front wing of the car?
I see what you mean about the curve on the wing, but I think the b+w picture is a bit deceptive.
Some markets/years had trafficators, and some these wing-top indicators.
Hubcaps could be chrome or part-painted chrome, with trim rings on some cars.
Is this the Armstrong Siddeley daimlerV8 has in-mind - a Sapphire 236?
Edited by borrani72 on Sunday 2nd May 16:02
borrani72 said:
This late 1960s video from YouTube goes right past Vere Street. Well worth a look just for the atmosphere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sFMahjCLq8[url]
The mystery car was photographed on the corner outside the Bank of Scotland, maybe 6 years earlier.
Clip from kinolibrary.com
Notes below the video state
"bus adverts for the film 'Grand Prix' which was released in March 1967 and the bus (RM1301 301CLT) was on that route Dec 1962 to May 1967"
Marshall & Snellgrove, the large building behind the taxi and Honda moped in the top picture (later demolished, the site is now Debenhams) has the large canopy seen over the entrance on the right in our original 'photo.
This is interesting, if the Bank of Scotland building looked the same six years earlier, then the pale stonework below the first-floor windows looks like it would correspond nicely to the light streak in dark area in the presumed reflection in the car window, and there is also a ledge just above this to correspond to the shape of the edge of the dark area too...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sFMahjCLq8[url]
The mystery car was photographed on the corner outside the Bank of Scotland, maybe 6 years earlier.
Clip from kinolibrary.com
Notes below the video state
"bus adverts for the film 'Grand Prix' which was released in March 1967 and the bus (RM1301 301CLT) was on that route Dec 1962 to May 1967"
Marshall & Snellgrove, the large building behind the taxi and Honda moped in the top picture (later demolished, the site is now Debenhams) has the large canopy seen over the entrance on the right in our original 'photo.
Edited by borrani72 on Sunday 2nd May 14:24
Alpinweiss said:
This is interesting, if the Bank of Scotland building looked the same six years earlier, then the pale stonework below the first-floor windows looks like it would correspond nicely to the light streak in dark area in the presumed reflection in the car window, and there is also a ledge just above this to correspond to the shape of the edge of the dark area too...
It has been suggested that the white shape that looks something like the drivers' scarf could be something inside the car. But looking at the overall lighting in the picture, I think it is far too bright for this.Looking at the shadow beneath and around the first bus, the sunlight is coming from above/behind the buses, and a little to the right as we look at the picture. I think it is possible we can see the forward edge of a parcel shelf and perhaps a dark outline that looks like the driver, but the rest of the interior is very dark.
With sunlight coming from above, and therefore mainly through the rear window, I would expect the parcel shelf (if that is what we are seeing) to be the brightest area inside the car. If, say, the driver were wearing a scarf, or we are seeing the far side of the interior, where is so much light coming from, when everything else around it is so black? It has to be a reflection from the buildings.
Yellow arrow - edge of a parcel shelf? The shelf would be the best lit part of the interior. Or could it also be part of the reflection from the shopfront?
On the right, a rear elevation based on the mystery car. The orange area is the tail-light.
The green arrow shows the edge of the screen surround/ A-post. The pink arrow is the shape of the B-post.
With a curved A-post and a much straighter B-post, and fixed, perspex side window, I would expect exactly the type oddly twisted, distorted reflections seen in the side window.
I did try positioning the car on the old OS map of the area, which could have traced an angle from the camera, reflected off the side windows and back to their source, but the map didn't agree well enough with the buildings in the picture to learn very much.
When you set up the wall and entrance canopy of Marshall & Snellgrove (the building to the very right of the picture), the pavement along the frontage is about 4-feet out! These maps were simply never intended for this purpose.............
More modern maps are probably far more accurate, but the width of the road has been altered and many buildings demolished, so that won't help either.
My best guesss is that the reflections in the side-window of the car are from the sign above 'Neatawear', or the corner of the bank. I haven't been able to establish when that 'Neatawear' frontage appeared. Only that 'Neataware' were established and went out of business during the 1960s. But it could equally well be reflecting an earlier sign in the same position.
MarkwG said:
I think I'm past caring whether we find out what it actually is now, I'm just enjoying the wonderful insanity of the hunt, thank you all !
Absolutely ! !Makes the JFK conspiracy, grassy knoll, second gunman, missing bullet et al pale into insignificance for the research going into this.
One day the car will turn up at a car meet in a pub car park and the owner will be oblivious to the fuss !
V41LEY said:
Absolutely !
Makes the JFK conspiracy, grassy knoll, second gunman, missing bullet et al pale into insignificance for the research going into this.
One day the car will turn up at a car meet in a pub car park and the owner will be oblivious to the fuss !
Wouldn't that be something! ;-)Makes the JFK conspiracy, grassy knoll, second gunman, missing bullet et al pale into insignificance for the research going into this.
One day the car will turn up at a car meet in a pub car park and the owner will be oblivious to the fuss !
threespires said:
V41LEY said:
Absolutely !
Makes the JFK conspiracy, grassy knoll, second gunman, missing bullet et al pale into insignificance for the research going into this.
One day the car will turn up at a car meet in a pub car park and the owner will be oblivious to the fuss !
Wouldn't that be something! ;-)Makes the JFK conspiracy, grassy knoll, second gunman, missing bullet et al pale into insignificance for the research going into this.
One day the car will turn up at a car meet in a pub car park and the owner will be oblivious to the fuss !
borrani72 said:
threespires said:
V41LEY said:
Absolutely !
Makes the JFK conspiracy, grassy knoll, second gunman, missing bullet et al pale into insignificance for the research going into this.
One day the car will turn up at a car meet in a pub car park and the owner will be oblivious to the fuss !
Wouldn't that be something! ;-)Makes the JFK conspiracy, grassy knoll, second gunman, missing bullet et al pale into insignificance for the research going into this.
One day the car will turn up at a car meet in a pub car park and the owner will be oblivious to the fuss !
mbwoy84 said:
Blimey its all kicked off over there. 
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