Another mystery car

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Doofus said:

anonymous said:

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Righto, thanks

I'm not sure it's a semi-boat - I suspect that's an overrider. However, I'm also not convinced by the Kamm tail in the renderings. I'm more comfortable with a back end something along the lines of a TR3, which was more 'contemporary'. A Kamm tail would have been pretty radical back then and, given it would only have been cosmetic rather than aerodynamic, I think it unlikely.

....The renderings do not have a Kamm tail, but rather an impression type styling feature akin to a Silver Shadow. The renderings are along lines of TR3.

[GT6 Jonsey]

This is the W&P bodied Triumph SLR

[Doofus]

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....The renderings do not have a Kamm tail, but rather an impression type styling feature akin to a Silver Shadow. The renderings are along lines of TR3.

Fair enough, apologies

I was thinking of this render, in which the tail does look a bit truncated

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Doofus said:

Fair enough, apologies

I was thinking of this render, in which the tail does look a bit truncated

Cool and please don't apologise. Been really interesting in how one picture can get so many opinions.

[838HNK]

Thanks for the Butterworth TR photo .. I never new W&P did so many variants including one offs for customers .....

This is the rear of my Ashley with the lower rear boot below the fixed (but curved) rear window ... the rear lights should have a rear slope like the mystery car ...

Edited by 838HNK on Sunday 8th July 21:13

The only car I know of with a flat glass rear is the Fairthorpe TX SS ... you can sort of see where different bits of styling came from.



Still no cigar though ...

Edited by 838HNK on Sunday 8th July 21:19

[Loose_Cannon]

Riley Blue said:

Writhing said:

I’m just looking at the curved line under the rear valance. It almost looks like the pic has been cut out of magazine and then put over a pic of the location. (Oxford Street?) Also, why isn’t anybody looking at or acknowledging the car...

...except for the three men who are walking round the back of it and the lady in red who hasn't walked into it.

Writhing - Ive been thinking the car looks a bit unnatural since about page two. Regardless of the people around it the picture has definitely been touched in to accentuate the car, i.e. the light lines below the front and rear valances. Why? for no other reason than to make the car look nice and stand out. Theres something about the back that looks very unnatural and touched in, I wouldn't be surprised if it was artistically enhanced to the point of being a cartoon. Where are the moon landing photo conspiricists when you need them?

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Loose_Cannon said:

Writhing - Ive been thinking the car looks a bit unnatural since about page two. Regardless of the people around it the picture has definitely been touched in to accentuate the car, i.e. the light lines below the front and rear valances. Why? for no other reason than to make the car look nice and stand out. Theres something about the back that looks very unnatural and touched in, I wouldn't be surprised if it was artistically enhanced to the point of being a cartoon. Where are the moon landing photo conspiricists when you need them?

Got to admit, that have often felt same way re front and rear valances.

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Rear screen brought out further to back of car by 30mm, track reduced by about 40mm. Have also added screen rubbers, wipers, bumper brackets, interior (total guess), number plate light and fuel filler... plus loads of rads all over car.

Still about 20% or so away from goal and now need to sort out textures (colours/general feel) and image mapping on dials, headlight glass etc.

Edited by _Sorted_ on Sunday 8th July 22:27

[TooMany2cvs]

_Sorted_ said:

Rear screen brought out further to back of car by 30mm, track reduced by about 40mm. Have also added screen rubbers, wipers, bumper brackets, interior (total guess), number plate light and fuel filler... plus loads of rads all over car.

Still about 20% or so away from goal and now need to sort out textures (colours/general feel) and image mapping on dials, headlight glass etc.

At some point, very soon, it's going to have been easier just to build the bd thing for real.

Hat off to you, you nutter.

[swisstoni]

TooMany2cvs said:

_Sorted_ said:

Rear screen brought out further to back of car by 30mm, track reduced by about 40mm. Have also added screen rubbers, wipers, bumper brackets, interior (total guess), number plate light and fuel filler... plus loads of rads all over car.

Still about 20% or so away from goal and now need to sort out textures (colours/general feel) and image mapping on dials, headlight glass etc.

At some point, very soon, it's going to have been easier just to build the bd thing for real.

Hat off to you, you nutter.

And we STILL won’t know what the bloody thing was.

[Qcarchoo]

838HNK said:

Anyone know anything about the Richard Butterfield W&P TR3 or any of the other W&P one offs ??

Yes, this is the Butterfield W&P TR3. It's been heavily modified since W&P were originally commissioned to build the front end only.

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Qcarchoo said:

Yes, this is the Butterfield W&P TR3. It's been heavily modified since W&P were originally commissioned to build the front end only.

Don't know why, but like that.

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swisstoni said:

And we STILL won’t know what the bloody thing was.

But at least we can now see what he saw. Render of interior looking out below.

[uk66fastback]

_Sorted_ said:

Rear screen brought out further to back of car by 30mm, track reduced by about 40mm. Have also added screen rubbers, wipers, bumper brackets, interior (total guess), number plate light and fuel filler... plus loads of rads all over car.

Still about 20% or so away from goal and now need to sort out textures (colours/general feel) and image mapping on dials, headlight glass etc.

Edited by _Sorted_ on Sunday 8th July 22:27

I think the rear would be more like the old Ashley that has just been posted - much easier to fabricate surely? If you have a sloping tail like the rendition, then you get some uncomfortable shapes to the inside of the rear lights - you get an outer wing and a bit of an inner wing (between the light lens and the hacked off tail, far better that the back of the car meets the rear light section like the Ashley. Pure opinion on my part obviously!

[uk66fastback]

Sorry, just blown the pic up bigger ... the reflections confused me, as you were - although the LH rear overrider needs moving - as it is sitting on the rear light atm - and they look about a foot long! You're still a genius though!

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uk66fastback said:

I think the rear would be more like the old Ashley that has just been posted - much easier to fabricate surely? If you have a sloping tail like the rendition, then you get some uncomfortable shapes to the inside of the rear lights - you get an outer wing and a bit of an inner wing (between the light lens and the hacked off tail, far better that the back of the car meets the rear light section like the Ashley. Pure opinion on my part obviously!

All possible, and looking at Ashley pictures I realise have forgotten to add boot hinges. Dammit!!!

[838HNK]

Could you map the outline of the new car on the Ashley factory drawing please ? I suspect its quite a close match.....

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838HNK said:

Could you map the outline of the new car on the Ashley factory drawing please ? I suspect its quite a close match.....

Wheelbase(s)? Appear to be two and can't read either for certain.

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Believe this thread has almost reached a natural end unless car or further info turns up? In other words, cannot think of any other avenue for PH forum to pursue.

Edited by _Sorted_ on Monday 9th July 07:49

[garryb]

Looking at the original picture , what is the lump above where the passengers head would be (assuming it's rhd).
Not sure it's a shadow but also don't think it's a hinge as it would intrude into the door opening.