Classics left to die/rotting pics - Vol 2

[Rob 131 Sport]

bumskins said:

Yertis said:

I’ve been more or less loyal to Audi ever since.

Oh dear, you have my sympathies.

I’ve driven a few newish Audi’s and there great cars. I can’t understand why people don’t like them.

Maybe they haven’t driven them

[Shadow R1]

Another GT, some good finds.

[bumskins]

Rob 131 Sport said:

bumskins said:

Yertis said:

I’ve been more or less loyal to Audi ever since.

Oh dear, you have my sympathies.

I’ve driven a few newish Audi’s and there great cars. I can’t understand why people don’t like them.

Maybe they haven’t driven them

Apologies, the couple i've driven must have been the bland, soulless anomalies in their production history. The epitome of 'white goods' to me, but unlike their rivals from Asia/other parts of the world, they try to instill an air of superiority which their handling, build quality and service just don't live up to - unlike the list prices (in my experience at least). Trying to go quickly down Blakey Ridge in an RS3 was the last straw, somehow managed to be too bouncy, too soft and understeer like a pig all at the same time - yours for the princely sum of >£60K

[DickyC]

On the Shinfield Road out of Reading this morning. The road may actually be call Shinfield Road.

[Bannock]

I go past that place every day, but in a car, and never thought to stop to photograph it for this forum. There are a couple of dying vehicles there I think.

Lots of potential, that house...

[DickyC]

Bannock said:

I go past that place every day, but in a car, and never thought to stop to photograph it for this forum. There are a couple of dying vehicles I think.

Lots of potential, that house...

Mr Saddo here stopped and walked back. If PH receive a letter of complaint from the Baptist Church parking warden, I'd be grateful if everyone could deny everything.

Yes, there are three or four houses together, all run down. I wondered if a developer is buying them up.



Is this one of the dying vehicles you meant?

[Drew106]

NorthernSky said:

Hardly left to die, looks in good nick. Not sure I'd lay old carpet on it... but that's a different story.

[DickyC]

DickyC said:

On the Shinfield Road out of Reading this morning. The road may actually be called Shinfield Road.

larry - I replied to your PM. It may be in your junk folder.

[BoRED S2upid]

DickyC said:

On the Shinfield Road out of Reading this morning. The road may actually be call Shinfield Road.

That’s probably being used daily they just don’t die.

[4rephill]

Rob 131 Sport said:

bumskins said:

Yertis said:

I’ve been more or less loyal to Audi ever since.

Oh dear, you have my sympathies.

I’ve driven a few newish Audi’s and there great cars. I can’t understand why people don’t like them.

Maybe they haven’t driven them

Understeer, followed by understeer, followed by a big dose of understeer,

To this day Audi insist on placing their engines entirely ahead of the front axle, which gives the cars chronic understeer.

(Back in the day, the engines were mounted so far forwards that the radiator had to sit next to the engine, rather than ahead of it!)

[TonyRPH]

4rephill said:

Understeer, followed by understeer, followed by a big dose of understeer,

<snip>

Having owned several Audis (mostly A4s, three of which were Quattros), I never experienced understeer, so I call BS on this one.

I have also owned various BMWs (and do still own one), had various other front wheel drive cars (Skoda vRS) and they handles just the same as the Audis.

IMHO the understeer thing is a big myth.

[Risonax]

BoRED S2upid said:

DickyC said:

On the Shinfield Road out of Reading this morning. The road may actually be call Shinfield Road.

That’s probably being used daily they just don’t die.

FDP783V not used in a long while.

[Shezbo]

TonyRPH said:

Having owned several Audis (mostly A4s, three of which were Quattros), I never experienced understeer, so I call BS on this one.

I have also owned various BMWs (and do still own one), had various other front wheel drive cars (Skoda vRS) and they handles just the same as the Audis.

IMHO the understeer thing is a big myth.

Mate Audi's understeer!

[Rob 131 Sport]

4rephill said:

Rob 131 Sport said:

bumskins said:

Yertis said:

I’ve been more or less loyal to Audi ever since.

Oh dear, you have my sympathies.

I’ve driven a few newish Audi’s and there great cars. I can’t understand why people don’t like them.

Maybe they haven’t driven them

Understeer, followed by understeer, followed by a big dose of understeer,

To this day Audi insist on placing their engines entirely ahead of the front axle, which gives the cars chronic understeer.

(Back in the day, the engines were mounted so far forwards that the radiator had to sit next to the engine, rather than ahead of it!)

I regularly drive my sons 16 plate A4 S Line 190 saloon and previously drove his 20 plate A3 2.0. I have also driven a few (in 2019) A6 3.0 Quattro.

All of them have excellent driving dynamics. I agree that older Audi’s that I’ve owned in the past weren’t as enjoyable to drive as contemporary BMW’s.

[DickyC]

Shezbo said:

TonyRPH said:

Having owned several Audis (mostly A4s, three of which were Quattros), I never experienced understeer, so I call BS on this one.

I have also owned various BMWs (and do still own one), had various other front wheel drive cars (Skoda vRS) and they handles just the same as the Audis.

IMHO the understeer thing is a big myth.

Mate Audi's understeer!

Could the Audis Understeer camp clarify whether they mean all Audis or all front wheel drive Audis?

I've had numerous quattros and have always found them to behave well. The one front wheel drive Audi I had I got rid of quickly. Compared to the quattros it was useless.

/like to press on but not a driving god

[TonyRPH]

Shezbo said:

TonyRPH said:

Having owned several Audis (mostly A4s, three of which were Quattros), I never experienced understeer, so I call BS on this one.

I have also owned various BMWs (and do still own one), had various other front wheel drive cars (Skoda vRS) and they handles just the same as the Audis.

IMHO the understeer thing is a big myth.

Mate Audi's understeer!

My own personal experience is that they don't understeer (or at least, no worse than many other cars).

Nearly all cars are designed to understeer as a safety feature.

A Peugeot 406 Coupe had worse understeer than the various Audis I've had.

[v8250]

BoRED S2upid said:

That’s probably being used daily they just don’t die.

"It is said that 90% of all Land Rovers manufactured are still on the road...





The other 10% have reached their destination..."

[GTRene]

TonyRPH said:

My own personal experience is that they don't understeer (or at least, no worse than many other cars).

Nearly all cars are designed to understeer as a safety feature.

A Peugeot 406 Coupe had worse understeer than the various Audis I've had.

Talking about understeer, the worst car that had such from all my ex 122 cars (including some trade in cars) was a Matra Bagheera!
if you wanted to attack some corners fast, the car wants to go almost straight on! or at least the circle line you wanted becomes way bigger... the front has way to low grip.
so if you then knowingly wanted to attack a corner fastly, you had to throw it a bit, it was terrible with no weight at the front.

Thats why some Matra owners made a special made fuel tank in the front, to make the balance/grip levels better.

[Yertis]

DickyC said:

Could the Audis Understeer camp clarify whether they mean all Audis or all front wheel drive Audis?

I've had numerous quattros and have always found them to behave well. The one front wheel drive Audi I had I got rid of quickly. Compared to the quattros it was useless.

/like to press on but not a driving god

That’s my exact experience also. I’d never buy an FWD Audi again. But in multiple Quattros and quattros I’ve never found understeer to be a problem. Maybe I’m just not driving them fast enough.

[bigmowley]

Shezbo said:

TonyRPH said:

Having owned several Audis (mostly A4s, three of which were Quattros), I never experienced understeer, so I call BS on this one.

I have also owned various BMWs (and do still own one), had various other front wheel drive cars (Skoda vRS) and they handles just the same as the Audis.

IMHO the understeer thing is a big myth.

Mate Audi's understeer!

Yup they do understeer horribly. If yours don’t then man up and go faster it will. Possible exception of some but not all RS products. Even my R8 RWS track car was fairly dire until we sorted it out with a few geometry changes.

Back in the very early 90,s I took a brand new Audi out on a test drive round the Licky Hills in Birmingham. I think it was a B3 80 saloon but I have been to bed since then. I attacked a couple of my favorite bends at reasonable speed and promptly understeered into the kerb in a big way. It severely bent the suspension with one wheel pointing one way and one the other. I limped it back to the dealer and left it in the car park.