Classics left to die/rotting pics - Vol 2
Discussion
bigmowley said:
Shezbo said:
TonyRPH said:
Having owned several Audis (mostly A4s, three of which were Quattros), I never experienced understeer, so I call BS on this one.
I have also owned various BMWs (and do still own one), had various other front wheel drive cars (Skoda vRS) and they handles just the same as the Audis.
IMHO the understeer thing is a big myth.
Mate Audi's understeer!I have also owned various BMWs (and do still own one), had various other front wheel drive cars (Skoda vRS) and they handles just the same as the Audis.
IMHO the understeer thing is a big myth.
Back in the very early 90,s I took a brand new Audi out on a test drive round the Licky Hills in Birmingham. I think it was a B3 80 saloon but I have been to bed since then. I attacked a couple of my favorite bends at reasonable speed and promptly understeered into the kerb in a big way. It severely bent the suspension with one wheel pointing one way and one the other. I limped it back to the dealer and left it in the car park.
So, basically you were driving too fast and beyond your capabilities.
Johnspex said:
bigmowley said:
Shezbo said:
TonyRPH said:
Having owned several Audis (mostly A4s, three of which were Quattros), I never experienced understeer, so I call BS on this one.
I have also owned various BMWs (and do still own one), had various other front wheel drive cars (Skoda vRS) and they handles just the same as the Audis.
IMHO the understeer thing is a big myth.
Mate Audi's understeer!I have also owned various BMWs (and do still own one), had various other front wheel drive cars (Skoda vRS) and they handles just the same as the Audis.
IMHO the understeer thing is a big myth.
Back in the very early 90,s I took a brand new Audi out on a test drive round the Licky Hills in Birmingham. I think it was a B3 80 saloon but I have been to bed since then. I attacked a couple of my favorite bends at reasonable speed and promptly understeered into the kerb in a big way. It severely bent the suspension with one wheel pointing one way and one the other. I limped it back to the dealer and left it in the car park.
So, basically you were driving too fast and beyond your capabilities.
Shezbo said:
TonyRPH said:
Having owned several Audis (mostly A4s, three of which were Quattros), I never experienced understeer, so I call BS on this one.
I have also owned various BMWs (and do still own one), had various other front wheel drive cars (Skoda vRS) and they handles just the same as the Audis.
IMHO the understeer thing is a big myth.
Mate Audi's understeer!I have also owned various BMWs (and do still own one), had various other front wheel drive cars (Skoda vRS) and they handles just the same as the Audis.
IMHO the understeer thing is a big myth.
Mine doesn’t (RS4)
DickyC said:
Bannock said:
I go past that place every day, but in a car, and never thought to stop to photograph it for this forum. There are a couple of dying vehicles I think.
Lots of potential, that house...
Mr Saddo here stopped and walked back. If PH receive a letter of complaint from the Baptist Church parking warden, I'd be grateful if everyone could deny everything.Lots of potential, that house...
Yes, there are three or four houses together, all run down. I wondered if a developer is buying them up.
Is this one of the dying vehicles you meant?
Shezbo said:
Escort3500 said:
Nice sweeping generalisation there
Mine doesn’t (RS4)
Asked earlier, to clarify: all front wheel drive Audi's understeer. Mine doesn’t (RS4)
Perhaps I just drive far too responsibly on public roads to invoke this 'terrible understeer'.
TonyRPH said:
Perhaps I just drive far too responsibly on public roads to invoke this 'terrible understeer'.
I think you might be right, Tony. That would explain why Audi haven't sold many cars. Oh, wait...That said, my old A6 TDI Avant (on new Dunlops when I got it) used to aquaplane at the drop of a hat when it was really wet - think Lake District in August, Biblical sort of wet. But I guess most cars would.
I borrowed a 2017 A6 TDI Quattro for 4 months when it was 2 years old.
It didn't understeer much.
One special feature it had was a dimwitted 7 speed auto.
Pulling away from a junction seemed to catch it by surprise and it set off slowly at which point you put your foot down a bit harder and then it suddenly took off. When it was greasy it would then oversteer (if leaving a t-junction).
It was also not very economical, rarely getting above 35mpg.
However, it was a good cruiser.
The BMW 320d X-Drive I had at the same time was a far superior device.
It didn't understeer much.
One special feature it had was a dimwitted 7 speed auto.
Pulling away from a junction seemed to catch it by surprise and it set off slowly at which point you put your foot down a bit harder and then it suddenly took off. When it was greasy it would then oversteer (if leaving a t-junction).
It was also not very economical, rarely getting above 35mpg.
However, it was a good cruiser.
The BMW 320d X-Drive I had at the same time was a far superior device.
5 In a Row said:
I borrowed a 2017 A6 TDI Quattro for 4 months when it was 2 years old.
It didn't understeer much.
One special feature it had was a dimwitted 7 speed auto.
Pulling away from a junction seemed to catch it by surprise and it set off slowly at which point you put your foot down a bit harder and then it suddenly took off. When it was greasy it would then oversteer (if leaving a t-junction).
It was also not very economical, rarely getting above 35mpg.
However, it was a good cruiser.
The BMW 320d X-Drive I had at the same time was a far superior device.
I’d be interested in an X-Drive if they weren’t so goppingly ugly.It didn't understeer much.
One special feature it had was a dimwitted 7 speed auto.
Pulling away from a junction seemed to catch it by surprise and it set off slowly at which point you put your foot down a bit harder and then it suddenly took off. When it was greasy it would then oversteer (if leaving a t-junction).
It was also not very economical, rarely getting above 35mpg.
However, it was a good cruiser.
The BMW 320d X-Drive I had at the same time was a far superior device.
Krhuangbin said:
Not a classic per se, but a semi desirable car once upon a time. Picture is flattering, looks like it’s been resurfaced
from a swamp
Weird. Passed an MOT with no advisories just under three years ago and the test history prior to that is squeaky clean. Do the engines go bang or something?from a swamp
Yertis said:
I’d be interested in an X-Drive if they weren’t so goppingly ugly.
Mine was a 2013 so while not exactly beautiful certainly a lot nicer than the current ones.When that shape of 3 series was released the frontal styling always reminded me of the Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 which is not a compliment to BMW, being a design from the 90s.
Dermot O'Logical said:
uk66fastback said:
‘Semi-desirable’ does not a classic make. Get it off the thread!
If we applied that rule, and did away with all of the "Cars which weren't any good even when they were new" the thread would have barely got to the end of Page 1.Missy Charm said:
Krhuangbin said:
Weird. Passed an MOT with no advisories just under three years ago and the test history prior to that is squeaky clean. Do the engines go bang or something?They're relatively cheap to buy (for what they are) but expensive to run so it's possible that one belongs to someone who could afford the forecourt price but not the ongoing running costs?
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