Classics left to die/rotting pics - Vol 2

[TonyRPH]

Yertis said:

Can anyone point me at the page where the Ferrari 400 was sitting on somebody's drive? Can't find it for toffee.

Here you are it's the 12th post down from 'TR4man'

It's discussed in subsequent pages.



EDIT: Link to original auction (all pics gone now)

Edited by TonyRPH on Tuesday 4th June 20:57

[Opel-GT]

TonyRPH said:

Yertis said:

Can anyone point me at the page where the Ferrari 400 was sitting on somebody's drive? Can't find it for toffee.

Here you are it's the 12th post down from 'TR4man'

It's discussed in subsequent pages.



EDIT: Link to original auction (all pics gone now)

I can still see the pics?

Edited by TonyRPH on Tuesday 4th June 20:57

[TonyRPH]

No such luck for me.

[4rephill]

TonyRPH said:

In fact I remember the Ferrari he is thinking of - it was parked on a driveway, and had been partially restored before being laid up.

It was on Ebay I think.

It'll be this car (From: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... ) :

MikeyC said:

TR4man said:

I've posted a picture of this forlorn Ferrari a couple of years ago but it is still there gently rusting away.

It has not moved from this driveway for at least 15 years or so. I'd imagine it is almost worthless now

Taken this morning:

Looks like the old girls got a second chance: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FERRARI-400-GT-BARN-FIN...

Apparantly

said:

For restoration, the story behind this car is I lost the keys 3 years after a nut and bolt restoration (i need my arse kicking for this) and never got around to doing anything about it

well, thats a new one !

These are the pictures from the original ebay advert:








The car (allegedly) sold for £12,201, and according to some on here, could be fully sorted for just a few grand - Shyeah!......Right!

You can ignore the "nut and bolt restoration carried out....." talk - It's completely meaningless, because, having been left out in the elements, the car is absolutely rotten!

[Yertis]

Thanks guys much appreciated.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

4rephill said:

having been left out in the elements, the car is absolutely rotten!

More importantly the model is a dog. CAR correctly described it in their GBU as 'HGV'

It's not worthy of a Prancing Horse badge, if it were Vauxhall branded you'd all sneer it.

[Justayellowbadge]

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

More importantly the model is a dog. CAR correctly described it in their GBU as 'HGV'

It's not worthy of a Prancing Horse badge, if it were Vauxhall branded you'd all sneer it.

Wrong, on a Chamberlain level.

The 365/400/412 series are magnificent and a pure evolution of the V12 cars that came before. Save for the GM autobox,obvs - but it suited the car and the times.

Only the low rent owners as values dipped have done them harm - a decent 365 in pristine condition will be quarter of a million before long.

And I will weep for the 6 grand cars I enjoyed and sold....

[NomduJour]

One of the most elegant cars made, especially in original GT4 2+2 form.

[TR4man]

Yes, it was me who posted the entries about the 400.

I'm not sure it sold on EBay as the seller's feedback has this entry from the winning bidder



However, it disappeared from the seller's drive soon afterwards. Perhaps someone made him an offer?

[xtreme ant]

And he didnt have to pay ebay s fees.

[neutral 3]

Can you just imagine sitting down and making a list of just some of the parts that this Ferrari is going to need, then getting the £ prices of those parts ( front wings, doors, front panel, Webber carb re build kits x 6, fuel lines, a servo, new brake master cylinder, Callipers, discs and pads, bonnet struts x2, 4 tyres, brakes, suspension, exhaust system, even assuming that the engine can be freed off / doesn't need pistons and rings, etc etc, then adding up the "approximate" £ labour charges for the stuff that will have to be farmed out. One would need to be sitting down, that's for sure....
Even if one owned a body shop, the cost of restoring this one will be £££ eye watering / ludicrous and when it's finished, at the end of the day, it's still an auto and still has questionable styling.
There was a down at heel, met brown auto boxed, one of these, that sat on the driveway of an expensive house opposite a pub, in Woodford Green, in circa 1983 / 85, it used to move maybe once or twice a week, its driver looked as dodgy as the car did. Can still see it in my minds eye, bonnet open, with the driver trying to start it.

Edited by neutral 3 on Wednesday 5th June 09:54

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

Justayellowbadge said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

More importantly the model is a dog. CAR correctly described it in their GBU as 'HGV'

It's not worthy of a Prancing Horse badge, if it were Vauxhall branded you'd all sneer it.

Wrong, on a Chamberlain level.

The 365/400/412 series are magnificent and a pure evolution of the V12 cars that came before. Save for the GM autobox,obvs - but it suited the car and the times.

Only the low rent owners as values dipped have done them harm - a decent 365 in pristine condition will be quarter of a million before long.

And I will weep for the 6 grand cars I enjoyed and sold....

Tell me, what's so good about them, they were widely derided as a 'bit' rubbish at the time. A lad we were mates with at school had one, he completed the boast by wearing a Ferrari jacket to school. He got rather unhappy when others regularly pointed out that his dads Ferrari was actually rather st.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

TR4man said:

Yes, it was me who posted the entries about the 400.

I'm not sure it sold on EBay as the seller's feedback has this entry from the winning bidder



However, it disappeared from the seller's drive soon afterwards. Perhaps someone made him an offer?

Perhaps the weighed it in for scrap, turning in to a Zanussi fridge would at least make it something of use.

[TonyRPH]

TR4man said:

Yes, it was me who posted the entries about the 400.

I'm not sure it sold on EBay as the seller's feedback has this entry from the winning bidder



However, it disappeared from the seller's drive soon afterwards. Perhaps someone made him an offer?

Its looks as though there were 6 or 7 different bidders, so maybe it was offered to another bidder? (And the deal took place outside of Ebay).

[MikeyC]

4rephill said:

These are the pictures from the original ebay advert:
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The car (allegedly) sold for £12,201, and according to some on here, could be fully sorted for just a few grand - Shyeah!......Right!

You can ignore the "nut and bolt restoration carried out....." talk - It's completely meaningless, because, having been left out in the elements, the car is absolutely rotten!

Yeah, will take more than a bit of T-cut - only good for parts really

Though I am surprised by some resurrections (OK slightly OT) eg:

Sold here for £11K in 1999 is apparantly back on the road
OK, not quite the same regards complexity

I do appear to have most of the original full size (1600x1200) images in my browser cache if anyone's interested (probably not!)

[Wooda80]

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

More importantly the model is a dog. CAR correctly described it in their GBU as 'HGV'

It's not worthy of a Prancing Horse badge, if it were Vauxhall branded you'd all sneer it.

That's a bit like reading one of AA Gill's restaurant reviews in the Sunday Times slagging off a "dreadful" meal that he'd had in some Michelin starred restaurant.

It's still likely to be a world away from anything you or I have eaten on a regular basis, and certainly no justification for feeling smug about going to a Toby Inn instead

[ivanhoew]

Nicely done Wooda

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

Wooda80 said:

Fermit and Sexy Sarah said:

More importantly the model is a dog. CAR correctly described it in their GBU as 'HGV'

It's not worthy of a Prancing Horse badge, if it were Vauxhall branded you'd all sneer it.

That's a bit like reading one of AA Gill's restaurant reviews in the Sunday Times slagging off a "dreadful" meal that he'd had in some Michelin starred restaurant.

It's still likely to be a world away from anything you or I have eaten on a regular basis, and certainly no justification for feeling smug about going to a Toby Inn instead

But if every review slated them you'd think they were on to something.

[Touring442]

In the seventies, CAR raved about the 365 and 400i - but the car lived too long and became a butt of their jokes. I suspect a good example is a nice old thing by seventies standards. 250GTE's were once worthless, chopped up to make GTO replicas. Espadas gave up their V12's to Countach copies. Now they're quite valuable.

[Fermit and Sexy Sarah]

Touring442 said:

In the seventies, CAR raved about the 365 and 400i - but the car lived too long and became a butt of their jokes. I suspect a good example is a nice old thing by seventies standards. 250GTE's were once worthless, chopped up to make GTO replicas. Espadas gave up their V12's to Countach copies. Now they're quite valuable.

That's an interesting angle, thanks. The 70's are a bit too long ago for me, born 77, so I remember all the scathing from the 80's.

By modern standards any classic can be considered crap, maybe you just need to think of it as from a slightly earlier era. A 3 speed auto in a Fezza is laughable mind.