Morgan takes a nasty hit
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It looks to me like the Peugeot is going faster than 50, he also could have passed him on the right as it used to be two lanes there and is now hatched off.
Obviously the Morgan is in the wrong for pull out in front of a fast moving car but the Peugeot could have easily swerved and passed him on the right rather than bothering with the horn and moving only a little bit to the left.
Both muppets basically.
Obviously the Morgan is in the wrong for pull out in front of a fast moving car but the Peugeot could have easily swerved and passed him on the right rather than bothering with the horn and moving only a little bit to the left.
Both muppets basically.
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Looks like 67% Morgan, 33% Pug.
Morgan pulled out in front of Pug.
Pug did not brake or swerve hard enough to avoid the perp.
Both cr*p drivers.
It take about 4 to 5 seconds to come to a stand still from 60 mph ( including thinking and reaction time) - appears from pulling out the Pug driver hit the Morgan within 2 seconds.Morgan pulled out in front of Pug.
Pug did not brake or swerve hard enough to avoid the perp.
Both cr*p drivers.
It would take a really talented driver to have gone to the right of the Morgan , as only 20 meters before impact there was road furniture in the form of a sign island.
The only saves could have been
1. Morgan drivers doesn't pull out.
2. Morgan immediately pulls to the right after the sign island (onto the hatchets)
3. Morgan driver absolutely nails the acceleration (rather than what appears like lifting off /cocking up the change to 2nd)
I would say zero pug drivers fault.
Especially if they are "Harvest Gold"!
I am going to assume for the sake of the discussion that the Peugeot was travelling at well over the speed limit, and let me assume also that it was travelling at a speed that was too fast, situationally (By the way, this sub forum may be the only place within Pistonheads that recognises that some accidents are in fact caused by excessive speed).
I still say, so what? The accident does not look like the result of the Morgan driver misjudging the approach speed of the Peugeot. I also doubt that the Morgan driver fluffing his gear change, if that is what he did, made much or any difference. It seems to me plain from the video that the cause of the collision was the Morgan driver setting off across the central reservation and into the carriageway without pausing or looking.
Saying that a James Bond/Steve McQueen in Bullitt level driver might have steered the Peugeot to miss the Morgan seems to me neither here nor there.
I still say, so what? The accident does not look like the result of the Morgan driver misjudging the approach speed of the Peugeot. I also doubt that the Morgan driver fluffing his gear change, if that is what he did, made much or any difference. It seems to me plain from the video that the cause of the collision was the Morgan driver setting off across the central reservation and into the carriageway without pausing or looking.
Saying that a James Bond/Steve McQueen in Bullitt level driver might have steered the Peugeot to miss the Morgan seems to me neither here nor there.
It is indeed easy to blame the Morgan driver, because he was to blame.
The Peugeot driver had about two or three seconds to react and stop or evade, once the Morgan entered the carriageway. The Peugeot driver had just a few more seconds before that to see the Morgan and anticipate its move. How much earlier would you suggest that the Peugeot driver should have braked? What difference would it have made? Maybe a slightly reduced impact.
If the Peugeot driver had not been driving fast ...
If the Peugeot driver had the reflexes and skills of a Vin Diesel movie character ...
If the Moon was made of cheese and my Aunt was my Uncle, and so on.
The point remains that the Morgan dude just launched his car into traffic. He made very little progress from his turning point before the Peugeot arrived.
Most of us, being Gods of Driving, obvs, would if driving the Peugeot have been reading the road ahead for possible hazards, especially if driving fast, and would have slowed down a bit when we saw the Morgan moving, thinking to ourselves "he might do something daft" , but what if the Peugeot driver is just someone in a hurry?
The Morgan guy's errors include not looking. If he did look (maybe just as he exited the rally site), he failed to register the Peugeot's closing speed and failed to assume that the other driver might press on regardless. Many of us have, I assume, taken advanced driver courses, so we think about defensive driving, anticipating mistakes by others, and so on. Many people see cars as mere transport, and do not concentrate much, even when driving fast.
If you study accident theory, and the human factors that influence accidents (including mood, concentration, and "watch this!"), you can see that this scenario had accident written all over it as soon as Morgan bloke set off from the rally site.
The Peugeot driver had about two or three seconds to react and stop or evade, once the Morgan entered the carriageway. The Peugeot driver had just a few more seconds before that to see the Morgan and anticipate its move. How much earlier would you suggest that the Peugeot driver should have braked? What difference would it have made? Maybe a slightly reduced impact.
If the Peugeot driver had not been driving fast ...
If the Peugeot driver had the reflexes and skills of a Vin Diesel movie character ...
If the Moon was made of cheese and my Aunt was my Uncle, and so on.
The point remains that the Morgan dude just launched his car into traffic. He made very little progress from his turning point before the Peugeot arrived.
Most of us, being Gods of Driving, obvs, would if driving the Peugeot have been reading the road ahead for possible hazards, especially if driving fast, and would have slowed down a bit when we saw the Morgan moving, thinking to ourselves "he might do something daft" , but what if the Peugeot driver is just someone in a hurry?
The Morgan guy's errors include not looking. If he did look (maybe just as he exited the rally site), he failed to register the Peugeot's closing speed and failed to assume that the other driver might press on regardless. Many of us have, I assume, taken advanced driver courses, so we think about defensive driving, anticipating mistakes by others, and so on. Many people see cars as mere transport, and do not concentrate much, even when driving fast.
If you study accident theory, and the human factors that influence accidents (including mood, concentration, and "watch this!"), you can see that this scenario had accident written all over it as soon as Morgan bloke set off from the rally site.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 16th April 17:24
Look at the sort of wazzocks who go to the sort of shows attended by the bloke who filmed the Morgan prang!
Here is the Regius Professor of Having No Clue at the University of Clueless Numby f
kwits losing it at about 0.0000000001 mph, but it's not his fault, bless, because the road was a bit damp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfOXOnvfVnI
Here is the Regius Professor of Having No Clue at the University of Clueless Numby f
kwits losing it at about 0.0000000001 mph, but it's not his fault, bless, because the road was a bit damp. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfOXOnvfVnI
My favourite daft comment from the Morgan discussion -
* which he possibly hadn't seen anyway
Bloke on other Forum said:
I'd not be too surprised if the police took no action as the Morgan owners defence of having left plenty of room for a legally driven car, and the question of how many leptons does one then allow for. A decent lawyer would have a field day here.
No, only a really terrible lawyer would run such a defence. The idea that the Morgan driver could say "I did nothing wrong because even though there was a car approaching at 90* I was entitled to drive on the basis that it was only doing 50", and so get away with driving like the biggest ever spannock, is laughable.* which he possibly hadn't seen anyway
Just to add that the only accident I have had occurred when my El Cheapo hack VW Jetta Mk1 was assaulted by a lady in a Triumph Acclaim who pulled out of a side turning. I had seen her for a while and kept thinking, "She's going to stop, she's going to stop". By the time she hit me I was half way over the white line (it was about 7.15am and deserted) and she hit the N/S rear door and quarter panel. She claimed I was going too fast (in a 1300cc Jetta!), as soon as my insurance company told me to say that "Past case law has stated that speed is no evidence of negligence"" her company offered me a cheque which nicely paid for a 2nd hand door, some panel beating and a respray.
This was 1992ish but I guess that the law is pretty much the same today, it doesn't matter how much Peugeot man was travelling.
Oliver.
This was 1992ish but I guess that the law is pretty much the same today, it doesn't matter how much Peugeot man was travelling.
Oliver.
I really don't see what else the unfortunate guy in the Peugeot was supposed to do when the highways authority had seen fit to put the keep left sign in the road rather than on the verge. Hitting that would have been a poor choice.
Seems odd road design though. Yes i do know that as the hashed area is bounded by a solid line it should not be entered- but it would have provided emergency run off. With this sign being there, the hashed area looks as if it might as well be grass.
Seems odd road design though. Yes i do know that as the hashed area is bounded by a solid line it should not be entered- but it would have provided emergency run off. With this sign being there, the hashed area looks as if it might as well be grass.
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