Morgan takes a nasty hit
Discussion
Breadvan72 said:
I wonder if the Morgan driver is a Millennial? The standard Morgan driver is a middle aged bald guy wearing a rugby shirt, but maybe some yoof had bought or rented the appalling heap.
All Millennials are solipsists. They live in such worlds of self regard and entitlement that they expect things such as "all traffic must stop to let me in".
I enjoyed an encounter with a Millennial yesterday. At a petrol station near me there is a single row of pumps, and on each side of the row space for two cars to park abreast, one by the pumps and one further away (eg if the driver is calling in to buy a paper or whatevs). I parked my car next to the shop. A grown up was filling his car in the spot next to me. A Millennial woman had parked her car near the air pump. She drove up behind my car as I walked into the shop and demanded that I move my car. I politely declined. She asked how she could get past me. I politely suggested that she drive out . This would require her to reverse about two metres and then drive off on the other side of the pumps, and she could indeed have driven straight there from the air pump - there being no cars on the other side of the fuel pumps. The young woman became agitated and sweary. I did not, and went in to buy a paper. The dude filling his car told me when I came out that the woman had somehow managed to escape. I said to him "Millennial, eh?" and he said "Damn right".
Anyway, CSB, thnx 4 shayring M8, etc. Now back to dissing Peugeot-driving destroyers of our precious crap wooden car motoring heritage.
Total agree with this theory.....Millennials = IINMF......It Is Never My Fault....
By the way Morgan driver 100% at fault.....if you cannot join a main road safely you should NOT do so?
All Millennials are solipsists. They live in such worlds of self regard and entitlement that they expect things such as "all traffic must stop to let me in".
I enjoyed an encounter with a Millennial yesterday. At a petrol station near me there is a single row of pumps, and on each side of the row space for two cars to park abreast, one by the pumps and one further away (eg if the driver is calling in to buy a paper or whatevs). I parked my car next to the shop. A grown up was filling his car in the spot next to me. A Millennial woman had parked her car near the air pump. She drove up behind my car as I walked into the shop and demanded that I move my car. I politely declined. She asked how she could get past me. I politely suggested that she drive out . This would require her to reverse about two metres and then drive off on the other side of the pumps, and she could indeed have driven straight there from the air pump - there being no cars on the other side of the fuel pumps. The young woman became agitated and sweary. I did not, and went in to buy a paper. The dude filling his car told me when I came out that the woman had somehow managed to escape. I said to him "Millennial, eh?" and he said "Damn right".
Anyway, CSB, thnx 4 shayring M8, etc. Now back to dissing Peugeot-driving destroyers of our precious crap wooden car motoring heritage.
Total agree with this theory.....Millennials = IINMF......It Is Never My Fault....
By the way Morgan driver 100% at fault.....if you cannot join a main road safely you should NOT do so?
Edited by Breadvan72 on Monday 17th April 08:08
I infer that you are not a Millennial, as the technology of the quote button has confounded you! I become an INSANELY FURIOUS RANTING RAGE MONSTER when someone quotes me and attributes to me words that I did not type (which is what you have done above) but you get a pass on the basis of being, I assume, a techno-feared old dude like what I am.
Having said that, please learn how to use the quote button, chap.
PS: Also, old chaps should know when to use and when not to use a question mark. Leave being rubbish at punctuation to the Millennials!
xxx
Having said that, please learn how to use the quote button, chap.
PS: Also, old chaps should know when to use and when not to use a question mark. Leave being rubbish at punctuation to the Millennials!
xxx
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 17th April 11:58
Mmmm. Peugeot is 100% at fault. Absolutely no blame to the Morgan whatsoever. Peugeot Driver, please to to jail, Do not pass go, and do not collect £200.
Now I know people will disagree, but you are ALL WRONG! I know this because almost exactly the same happened to me the other day, and the insurance company put it down as my fault, as the damage was at the back of the other car, and the front of mine. My Fault. Please collect an insurance increase of £900, and write off my 10 year owned E39.
I'm so pleased with the insurance company for deciding that!!!!!
Now I know people will disagree, but you are ALL WRONG! I know this because almost exactly the same happened to me the other day, and the insurance company put it down as my fault, as the damage was at the back of the other car, and the front of mine. My Fault. Please collect an insurance increase of £900, and write off my 10 year owned E39.
I'm so pleased with the insurance company for deciding that!!!!!
bearman68 said:
Mmmm. Peugeot is 100% at fault. Absolutely no blame to the Morgan whatsoever. Peugeot Driver, please to to jail, Do not pass go, and do not collect £200.
Now I know people will disagree, but you are ALL WRONG! I know this because almost exactly the same happened to me the other day, and the insurance company put it down as my fault, as the damage was at the back of the other car, and the front of mine. My Fault. Please collect an insurance increase of £900, and write off my 10 year owned E39.
I'm so pleased with the insurance company for deciding that!!!!!
Now I know people will disagree, but you are ALL WRONG! I know this because almost exactly the same happened to me the other day, and the insurance company put it down as my fault, as the damage was at the back of the other car, and the front of mine. My Fault. Please collect an insurance increase of £900, and write off my 10 year owned E39.
I'm so pleased with the insurance company for deciding that!!!!!
If that happened, challenge the outcome. The idea that whenever vehicle A impacts the rear of vehicle B, the driver of vehicle A must be at fault, is a daft idea that has no connection with reality, and, whether or not the law counts as reality (and it usually does), no connection with the law.
I wonder just how much the impact was reduced by the Pug riding up onto the Morgan?
Had it been something with a taller rear end, I can well imagine it being punted down or off the road, causing a lot more damage to the Pug and its driver also.
Blame? Entirely with the Morgan driver IMO. The Pug was in the wrong place at the wrong time, nothing more. Could he/she have braked earlier? Probably. But there was quite likely a moment of complete disbelief and "WTF" adding to their reaction time. Even an expectation that the sports car would be up to speed quicker - which is probably what the Morgan driver thought too. Poor decision to pull out by the Morgan, highly fortunate that the oncoming vehicle wasn't something bigger.
Had it been something with a taller rear end, I can well imagine it being punted down or off the road, causing a lot more damage to the Pug and its driver also.
Blame? Entirely with the Morgan driver IMO. The Pug was in the wrong place at the wrong time, nothing more. Could he/she have braked earlier? Probably. But there was quite likely a moment of complete disbelief and "WTF" adding to their reaction time. Even an expectation that the sports car would be up to speed quicker - which is probably what the Morgan driver thought too. Poor decision to pull out by the Morgan, highly fortunate that the oncoming vehicle wasn't something bigger.
grumbledoak said:
sim16v said:
Look at some of the Russian crash videos where people have swerved to avoid the idiot pulling out in front of them and barrel rolled in to the scenery.
I cannot believe the suggestion, here of all places, that the Peugeot driver should have "swerved" i.e. taken his chances with the trees or the signage!Rant over.
Breadvan72 said:
If that happened, challenge the outcome. The idea that whenever vehicle A impacts the rear of vehicle B, the driver of vehicle A must be at fault, is a daft idea that has no connection with reality, and, whether or not the law counts as reality (and it usually does), no connection with the law.
Anyway to cut a long story short, I felt it to be a waste of time to challenge, as the best case scenario for me was calling it 50:50, and therefore increasing my cost by the same amount, with an additional admin burden. (Does this make sense?) I tried to make a pragmatic decision, but I'm still emotional about the result.
t the Morgan driver becomes!
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ChilliWhizz said:
grumbledoak said:
sim16v said:
Look at some of the Russian crash videos where people have swerved to avoid the idiot pulling out in front of them and barrel rolled in to the scenery.
I cannot believe the suggestion, here of all places, that the Peugeot driver should have "swerved" i.e. taken his chances with the trees or the signage!Rant over.
grumbledoak said:
sim16v said:
Look at some of the Russian crash videos where people have swerved to avoid the idiot pulling out in front of them and barrel rolled in to the scenery.
I cannot believe the suggestion, here of all places, that the Peugeot driver should have "swerved" i.e. taken his chances with the trees or the signage!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iS9xki8Rlg
anonymous said:
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Joker Meme again, but, assuming that post was intended to be serious, it's worth quoting it again, because it is frankly bonkers. Let's break it down a bit:-(1) You are suggesting that the Morgan's plan may have been to cross the central reservation and get into the nearside lane of a dual carriageway, expecting an oncoming car to move from the nearside into the outside lane. Draw a little diagram of that in your head. Oh, dear.
(2) You assert that the Morgan driver's attention "would have been" to his left. Would it? Watch the video. Frame by frame. Do you see any sign that the Morgan driver paid any attention to his left?
(3) Let us be charitable to him, and assume that he looked left as he drove out of the car show, saw the Peugeot, and made a conscious decision to blat out in front of it.
If that is what Morgan man did, he's a prize wazzock, because he failed to judge the closing speed of the Peugeot, and/or he stupidly assumed that another driver would have good observation, good reflexes, good skills, good brakes, you name it. It would be much safer to assume that the Peugeot is being driven by someone who is drunk, blind, is texting, and is talking to the kids in the back, and that the Peugeot itself has no brakes, and to plan accordingly.
(4) Easy to miss the road signs? Er, not if you scan the road both ways before making your move, which is what someone with driving skills would do.
Morgan man did not apply the principles of defensive driving, and it ought to go without saying that defensive driving is good driving. Boy racers cannot tell the difference between assertive driving and aggressive driving, and think that defensive driving is for wimps, whereas in fact it is the mark of a skilled driver. The skilled driver never drives aggressively on the road. The Morgan driver here appears to be either foolish or aggressively selfish, or both.
OK, we all make mistakes, but this mistake was an unforced error of quite a serious kind. The consequences were mild, it appears. As pointed out above, this incident could easily have ended in multiple deaths. It didn't, so hoorah.
It is possible (I say only possible) that the Pug driver is a bit of a hero - maybe he or she just stomped the brakes and held on, not trying to steer, because he or she knew that anything else might make things worse. Hitting the horn is not a biggy, if the horn button is where it should be and easy to press without losing any concentration on other tasks. If the Morgan driver had not been a massive cock, perhaps he might have moved to the right on hearing the horn, but I doubt that. I doubt that anything could have prevented the collision from the moment that Morgan maniac set off from the car show.
Maybe Pug person was slow on the brakes, or whatever, but really, so what?
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 17th April 21:17
BlueHave said:
Easy to blame the Moggie driver but in my view the Pug driver should have braked far earlier
The fact that he needed to brake at all proves that the Morgan driver was 100% at fault. You don't just pull out in front of someone and expect them to take evasive action.Some of the comments trying to defend the Morgan driver are very surprising, and I seriously hope the idiots making them don't have driving licences themselves.
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