Can a Stag be used as a daily driver?
Discussion
Yertis said:
Thanks for writing that - saved me the bother! A Stag is sometimes reckoned to handle better than a 107 - can't vouch for that as I've never driven a 107 -
Let me assure you they don't!Old Mercs do indeed rot and the seventies ones can be grim - the trick is finding a decent early to mid eighties one that's been looked after.
With regard to restoration and maintenance costs - most 100'000 mile SL's are still on the original engine, autobox and diff. They were built by Daimler Benz after all, a company known for making things properly. The Stags serious design flaws and ropey quality means they need attention more often alas. I do like them, but wouldn't pay R107 $$$ for one. They aren't worth it.
iSore said:
Let me assure you they don't!
Old Mercs do indeed rot and the seventies ones can be grim - the trick is finding a decent early to mid eighties one that's been looked after.
With regard to restoration and maintenance costs - most 100'000 mile SL's are still on the original engine, autobox and diff. They were built by Daimler Benz after all, a company known for making things properly. The Stags serious design flaws and ropey quality means they need attention more often alas. I do like them, but wouldn't pay R107 $$$ for one. They aren't worth it.
Mine don't need attention, regular oil change, regular anti-freeze change, car designed by an Italian with flare opposed to a German with a ruler.Old Mercs do indeed rot and the seventies ones can be grim - the trick is finding a decent early to mid eighties one that's been looked after.
With regard to restoration and maintenance costs - most 100'000 mile SL's are still on the original engine, autobox and diff. They were built by Daimler Benz after all, a company known for making things properly. The Stags serious design flaws and ropey quality means they need attention more often alas. I do like them, but wouldn't pay R107 $$$ for one. They aren't worth it.
V8 Fettler said:
A Datsun Sunny?! Is that a V8 convertible?
No, it was a cheap economy car that was, unlike BL stuff, well made and reliable. Had Nissan made a V8 convertible, you may rest assured that it would have been rather better than anything squeezed from the rectal passage of Canley!
Raygun said:
car designed by an Italian with flare opposed to a German with a ruler.
It's flair, and Michelotti only styled the Stag. I doubt they'd put their name to the rest of it.Edit:
I really fancy this to go on top of the TV - I'm not brave enough to buy a real one.
Edited by iSore on Wednesday 3rd May 15:39
iSore said:
V8 Fettler said:
A Datsun Sunny?! Is that a V8 convertible?
No, it was a cheap economy car that was, unlike BL stuff, well made and reliable. Had Nissan made a V8 convertible, you may rest assured that it would have been rather better than anything squeezed from the rectal passage of Canley!
On the other hand, the Stag is a survivor: https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/?utf8=%E2%9C%93&...
V8 Fettler said:
On the other hand, the Stag is a survivor: https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/?utf8=%E2%9C%93&...
No fool like an old fool! :-)iSore said:
V8 Fettler said:
On the other hand, the Stag is a survivor: https://www.howmanyleft.co.uk/?utf8=%E2%9C%93&...
No fool like an old fool! :-)Don't be silly, Susan :-)
The Triumph was an expensive car that didn't work very well. It broke down, a lot.
The Sunny was a cheap tin box that did work very well. It rarely broke down.
The SL was twice the price of a Snag, but four times as good. Unblemished 19 year production run dear.
Triumph went down the toilet and DB and Nissan are still here.
Summary: Triumph weren't very good at making cars.
Well, apart from this one. These were rather good:
The Triumph was an expensive car that didn't work very well. It broke down, a lot.
The Sunny was a cheap tin box that did work very well. It rarely broke down.
The SL was twice the price of a Snag, but four times as good. Unblemished 19 year production run dear.
Triumph went down the toilet and DB and Nissan are still here.
Summary: Triumph weren't very good at making cars.
Well, apart from this one. These were rather good:
V8 Fettler said:
If the Stag was so undesirable
Who said that?The fact that they've always had a certain mystique has ensured surprising survival rates. By rights there should only be 6 or 7 left!
I like them. They look and sound great - I favour the early ones with the stainless wheeltrims and no side stripes. But the design and execution was just dire and it's nothing to do with price. the Merc SL was a better car, which is why they sold so many for so long at twice the price.
Btw there's 'better' and 'preferable'. The Stag is more charismatic imo.
iSore said:
V8 Fettler said:
If the Stag was so undesirable
Who said that?The fact that they've always had a certain mystique has ensured surprising survival rates. By rights there should only be 6 or 7 left!
I like them. They look and sound great - I favour the early ones with the stainless wheeltrims and no side stripes. But the design and execution was just dire and it's nothing to do with price. the Merc SL was a better car, which is why they sold so many for so long at twice the price.
Btw there's 'better' and 'preferable'. The Stag is more charismatic imo.
In the UK, more Stags have survived than R107s from the same era. So much for the robustness of the SL R107
iSore said:
The joy of statistics!
The Snag failed miserably elsewhere but outsold the SL in the UK by a huge margin - as you know.
Now - find out how many Snags survive in the USA compared to R107's....................
Statistics can be very awkward when they don't support your erroneous claims. You'll have noticed how the number of remaining UK R107s has declined over the years 2001 - 2016, whereas the number of Stags has remained very constant.The Snag failed miserably elsewhere but outsold the SL in the UK by a huge margin - as you know.
Now - find out how many Snags survive in the USA compared to R107's....................
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