Why the obsession with originality of classics?
Discussion
Equus said:
//j17 said:
Listed status for a building is generally limited to the facade
You think?http://www.channel4.com/programmes/grand-designs/o...
but they come across lots of cases of people wanting to modify listed buildings and having to jump through a whole load of hoops.
Interestingly for our discussion they are often forced to go completely non original. The powers that be often it to be very obvious which bits are new and which bits are original.
lowdrag said:
Bearing under the strain of the contentiousness of one poster once again, here is a very modified E-type. Obviously, this is abhorrent and should not be allowed, but on the other hand it is the BBC Modsports champion from the 1970s driven and owned by my dear departed friend John Burbidge.
ETA With thanks to Paul Skilleter for the use of his photo.
Struggling to see, how helps your argument that "modding" is OK? 
ETA With thanks to Paul Skilleter for the use of his photo.
Good to see that the pedantry the OP was getting at is alive and well. What does this thread say about classic fans?
Thankfully, as with cars, this thread seems largely to be populated by mainly sensible sorts of chaps, with the oldd single-issue fanatic thrown in to make the rest of us look almost sane.
Thankfully, as with cars, this thread seems largely to be populated by mainly sensible sorts of chaps, with the oldd single-issue fanatic thrown in to make the rest of us look almost sane.
CharlesdeGaulle said:
Good to see that the pedantry the OP was getting at is alive and well. What does this thread say about classic fans?
Thankfully, as with cars, this thread seems largely to be populated by mainly sensible sorts of chaps, with the oldd single-issue fanatic thrown in to make the rest of us look almost sane.
You know, I never could understand the French Thankfully, as with cars, this thread seems largely to be populated by mainly sensible sorts of chaps, with the oldd single-issue fanatic thrown in to make the rest of us look almost sane.
Shezbo said:
Struggling to see, how helps your argument that "modding" is OK?
In pointing out that we all have different opinions and that none of us are right. I have a mildly modified E-type for modern use and a replica XKSS. Strangely, the replica is worth more than the original. That doesn't bother me, but I have judged concours and there we get serious. The "restomod" movement, coming from America is growing apace, with people of means having an old car modified to drive today, with aircon, power steering ABS, bluetooth, 1,000 watt amps and whatever else they want to throw their money at. One can go through all shades of grey between white and black. No one is wrong, and no one is right. You pays your money and takes your choice.
lowdrag said:
In pointing out that we all have different opinions and that none of us are right. I have a mildly modified E-type for modern use and a replica XKSS. Strangely, the replica is worth more than the original. That doesn't bother me, but I have judged concours and there we get serious. The "restomod" movement, coming from America is growing apace, with people of means having an old car modified to drive today, with aircon, power steering ABS, bluetooth, 1,000 watt amps and whatever else they want to throw their money at. One can go through all shades of grey between white and black. No one is wrong, and no one is right. You pays your money and takes your choice.
+1
Stands well back while all the polishers heads explode.
And to be honest my first reaction was a proper WTF have they done to that e-type. But if you go looking for the story the car was a wreck, it went to the workshop in 2 pieces in the back of a pickup truck, no engine, no interior or running gear and there wasnt a hope of it being restored.
GOG440 said:
Stands well back while all the polishers heads explode.
And to be honest my first reaction was a proper WTF have they done to that e-type. But if you go looking for the story the car was a wreck, it went to the workshop in 2 pieces in the back of a pickup truck, no engine, no interior or running gear and there wasnt a hope of it being restored.
InitialDave said:
Mmm. It's not quite to my taste with the "stance-ness" of it, but I do broadly like it.
It was built for drifting, has a toyota 1jz , bmw transmission etc It has been built to a very high standard but IMO it is no longer an etype, just a special with an etype esq body on it
Or how about this?
Owned for a very long time by a (sadly deceased) friend of mine, He fitted the wide arches to it over 40years ago so he could get wider tyres under it for hillclimbing, and then sold a lot of sets of them to other competitors. It was already modified by BRM when it was new
Here is another picture of it with Barrie Williams (it must have been taken before he broke it)
Owned for a very long time by a (sadly deceased) friend of mine, He fitted the wide arches to it over 40years ago so he could get wider tyres under it for hillclimbing, and then sold a lot of sets of them to other competitors. It was already modified by BRM when it was new
Here is another picture of it with Barrie Williams (it must have been taken before he broke it)
GOG440 said:
It was built for drifting, has a toyota 1jz , bmw transmission etc
It has been built to a very high standard but IMO it is no longer an etype, just a special with an etype esq body on it
Yeah, I remember when it was posted previously.It has been built to a very high standard but IMO it is no longer an etype, just a special with an etype esq body on it
Still don't like the stance-ness of it.
GoodOlBoy said:
lowdrag said:
In pointing out that we all have different opinions and that none of us are right. I have a mildly modified E-type for modern use and a replica XKSS. Strangely, the replica is worth more than the original. That doesn't bother me, but I have judged concours and there we get serious. The "restomod" movement, coming from America is growing apace, with people of means having an old car modified to drive today, with aircon, power steering ABS, bluetooth, 1,000 watt amps and whatever else they want to throw their money at. One can go through all shades of grey between white and black. No one is wrong, and no one is right. You pays your money and takes your choice.
+1
An additional factor is that a lot of older cars have already been modified / messed with by previous owners.
This is probably more so at the "minor classic" end of the market.
eg My 1986 mk1a MR2 (first Japanese mid-engined car
) came with :
Lowered suspension (replaced but with aftermarket parts).
Bean-tin exhaust (replaced but aftermarket)
A mk1b interior.
Some mk1b exterior parts
etc.
It would cost a lot, and take a lot of time to return it to stock. If that's what you want, track down an unmodified original and restore that, and I'll be more than happy to admire it.
This is probably more so at the "minor classic" end of the market.
eg My 1986 mk1a MR2 (first Japanese mid-engined car
) came with :Lowered suspension (replaced but with aftermarket parts).
Bean-tin exhaust (replaced but aftermarket)
A mk1b interior.
Some mk1b exterior parts
etc.
It would cost a lot, and take a lot of time to return it to stock. If that's what you want, track down an unmodified original and restore that, and I'll be more than happy to admire it.
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