which classic car value is/will drop the most

[anonymous-user]

And you think the infrastructure of this country, in terms of power generation, transport, aviation, within 20 years will be fully and exclusively supportive of only non fossil fuels?

Remind me how long have we been using nuclear power, or wind turbines or hydro-generation and as a total percentage what do they equate too?

No chance, petrol will be here for many years yet, do you really think electric cars will be at a level where, (as you suggest), everyone will be driving one? Where on earth will everyone who lives in an apartment or terrace houses be charging them every evening? How will the additional power draw on the national grid be generated?

The idea is that no NEW cars will be sold post 2025 without a hybrid engine, I can see that being the sustainable and realistic future for 15-25 years.

[Dinoboy]

Even in the distant future when there aren't petrol stations everywhere, some enterprising soul will spend his working day driving his little tanker around filling classics up with unleaded on your driveway.
When one door closes another one always opens.

[volvos60s60]

As demand for petrol reduces, so the price will climb. There will be tipping point where future investment in refining & distribution is seriously scaled back & plant falls into disrepair.

There seems to be the political will for EVs, so installation of a charging network will follow. The issue will be the lack of power generation to meet the charging demand. However 20 years is a long time & EV technology will improve

[aeropilot]

Lord.Vader said:

The idea is that no NEW cars will be sold post 2025 without a hybrid engine

I think you mean 2040

[Mr Tidy]

I thought Volvo had committed to no ICE beyond 2020?

[Too Drunk to Funk]

Maybe they have, Does that mean everyone else is going to copy them?

[GoodOlBoy]

Mr Tidy said:

I thought Volvo had committed to no ICE beyond 2020?

Not correct.

[anonymous-user]

aeropilot said:

Lord.Vader said:

The idea is that no NEW cars will be sold post 2025 without a hybrid engine

I think you mean 2040

Even better!

[a8hex]

GoodOlBoy said:

Mr Tidy said:

I thought Volvo had committed to no ICE beyond 2020?

Not correct.

I think this was widely miss-reported (what a surprise). Wasn't it that they had said they didn't expect to be developing any new pure internal combustion engines after 2020.

[Vanin]

volvos60s60 said:

As demand for petrol reduces, so the price will climb. There will be tipping point where future investment in refining & distribution is seriously scaled back & plant falls into disrepair.

There seems to be the political will for EVs, so installation of a charging network will follow. The issue will be the lack of power generation to meet the charging demand. However 20 years is a long time & EV technology will improve

The Chinese will start making electric motor copies of classic engines complete with soundtrack, and the batteries will be so highly refined with new elements that a small pack will easily fit in the boot and do 1000 miles.

[a8hex]

Vanin said:

The Chinese will start making electric motor copies of classic engines complete with soundtrack, and the batteries will be so highly refined with new elements that a small pack will easily fit in the boot and do 1000 miles.

I suspect this comment was tongue in cheek, but just in case.
Do you think that the energy density of a battery is going to get to equal that of tank of petrol? TNT doesn't come close.

[anonymous-user]

No, no, no.

30-40 years time there will be a device of sorts that you fit to your 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO that makes it run on water, or air. Just look how far we've come in the past 30-40 years...I have a thin phone without a cord in my pocket that that can surf the internet..and so on.

Even things like fake oil to replace the crude stuff.

You heard it here first. Unless I heard it elsewhere.

[v8250]

PRND said:

No, no, no. 30-40 years time there will be a device of sorts that you fit to your 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO that makes it run on water, or air..

This has been do-able for decades but has been commercially crushed by int'l govt's and petro chem Co's because they can't gain nor control $$$Bn revenues and multi-stream tax revenues. And the fuel? Hydorgen...a small tank of water, add bicarb soda catalyst to taste, txfr electrical current through water and...within seconds your'e producing lot's and lot's of H.

[anonymous-user]

v8250 said:

PRND said:

No, no, no. 30-40 years time there will be a device of sorts that you fit to your 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO that makes it run on water, or air..

This has been do-able for decades but has been commercially crushed by int'l govt's and petro chem Co's because they can't gain nor control $$$Bn revenues and multi-stream tax revenues. And the fuel? Hydorgen...a small tank of water, add bicarb soda catalyst to taste, txfr electrical current through water and...within seconds your'e producing lot's and lot's of H.

Of course. I'm talking about when there will be no choice as to do this. This notion that these classics will grind to a halt because there's no fuel left - trust me there will be a way round it.

Regarding the actual thread topic, I think some (not all) modern cars touted as future classics have been inflated too much too fast and will be the biggest losers. I don't think there is the same want one factor with the current generation and it's becoming an increasing disposable culture generally speaking.

[Jukebag]

I'm not sure about whether we'll still be using conventional petrol stations in years to come, or using petrol or diesel cars by then for that matter, but with the power structure and greedy people running the world (and no I don't mean those faces you see on TV like puppet prime ministers, presidents and politicians) it's likely to be that way for a long time. People are harking on about electric power this and that, yet noone ever (not on here at least) ponders the idea of free energy. And yes I can hear people screaming "free energy doesn't exist mate", but I personally think there is some technology that will get us off fossil fuels, but that's likely never going to be given to us for obvious reasons. Tesla, one of the greatest geniuses all our times, was alleged to have developed free energy:

http://free-energy.ws/nikola-tesla/

If the powers that be get their way, we'll all be driving around in driverless cars that are linked to a Big Brother database, where everywhere you go will be tracked and your vehicle can be re-directed beyond your control if you do something "they" don't like. Personal ownership of vehicles will be a thing of the past, and we'll be fuelling up and paying with a microchip implanted into our wrist, Not a future I want to live in, but noone seems to be kicking up a fuss to stop it happening.

[lowdrag]

An interesting question; in France the government has increased the tax on fuel "to save the planet by making us do less miles". Yeah yeah, nothing to do with paying for their mistresses or the odd bottle of Petrus of course. The increase in taxation will be €3 billion per year. Now given that we are going electric in 2040 (forget for the sake of argument the crossover period with some electric and the run-out of fossil fuel engines) and there is going to be one hell of a deficit in each countries budget. Like ginormous. So where do we go from there? Have they thought this through?

[eccles]

lowdrag said:

An interesting question; in France the government has increased the tax on fuel "to save the planet by making us do less miles". Yeah yeah, nothing to do with paying for their mistresses or the odd bottle of Petrus of course. The increase in taxation will be €3 billion per year. Now given that we are going electric in 2040 (forget for the sake of argument the crossover period with some electric and the run-out of fossil fuel engines) and there is going to be one hell of a deficit in each countries budget. Like ginormous. So where do we go from there? Have they thought this through?

Electric cars still have 'fuel' that can be upped in price, hence the need for smart meters.

[a8hex]

Recharging electric cars at a reasonable rate is going to require that every house in the country is going to need fatter copper cables connecting them to the new power stations. Given the reluctance to lay cheap thin fibre optics to improve communications, I can't see the upgrades to the countries power infrastructure getting anywhere. If I could I think I'd start investing in copper future, hell that way one day I might manage to get a D-Type.

[roscobbc]

a8hex said:

Recharging electric cars at a reasonable rate is going to require that every house in the country is going to need fatter copper cables connecting them to the new power stations. Given the reluctance to lay cheap thin fibre optics to improve communications, I can't see the upgrades to the countries power infrastructure getting anywhere. If I could I think I'd start investing in copper future, hell that way one day I might manage to get a D-Type.

In future years and with housing shortage/cost of land/shortage of land/cost of mortgages inevitably means smaller properties with no garaging and without parking facilities outside the property, how many people will be able to charge their vehicles at home?

[Mr Tidy]

roscobbc said:

In future years and with housing shortage/cost of land/shortage of land/cost of mortgages inevitably means smaller properties with no garaging and without parking facilities outside the property, how many people will be able to charge their vehicles at home?

That is happening already - my house was built in 1990 ish but has no garage, and to charge an EV in my allocated space (when neighbours or visitors aren't using it) I'd need to chuck a cable over my garden fence!