MOT exemption for forty year old jalopies from May 2018
Discussion
lowdrag said:
I tend to use "allez vous faire foutre, putain de merde" in the rare event of a failure to proceed.
bv, Vai avvanti, Puttana di MerdaWash your mouths out with carbolic, the pair of you! Talk gently to your mechanical mistresses and they'll never let you down...oh, and keep on top of your servicing leaving the jars of Prince of Darkness Smoke firmly in your neighbour's garage.
TooMany2cvs said:
V8 Fettler said:
Is it a fail? Or a refusal to issue?
Doesn't matter. Something that's MOT exempt can't be prosecuted for not having an MOT.Roadworthiness, though...
Would be useful if garages could offer an MOT-type test for MOT exempt vehicles without the results being recorded at the DVSA (or whatever it's called this week), that would encourage more owners of MOT exempt vehicles to have them tested by someone who should be competent.
V8 Fettler said:
Would be useful if garages could offer an MOT-type test for MOT exempt vehicles without the results being recorded at the DVSA (or whatever it's called this week), that would encourage more owners of MOT exempt vehicles to have them tested by someone who should be competent.
Any competent garage can already carry out such an inspection and some owners of exempt cars will (and do) continue to have their cars inspected.The vast majority however will unfortunately go uninspected.
V8 Fettler said:
Would be useful if garages could offer an MOT-type test for MOT exempt vehicles without the results being recorded at the DVSA (or whatever it's called this week), that would encourage more owners of MOT exempt vehicles to have them tested by someone who should be competent.
They can. Just because no MOT is legally required doesn't mean you can't take your car for an MOT.The problem lies not with responsible classic owners like ourselves, but chancers who find a 40+ year old motor, then punt it out on Ebay without actually having to make sure it is a safe car as opposed to something with knackered bushes, sticking calipers and questionable chassis integrity. Many buyers are not as thorough as us when inspecting a classic we intend to buy.
On the original gassing thread about this I posted that my MOT bloke will do an hours inspection on mine when it reaches 40 rather than an MOT, some asked me why not just get it MOT'd instead, well in truth, while the MOT guy is good and understands classics, I personally don't put too much faith in a test designed for 3 year old cars done on one that's 37 years out of date.
Lastly, does anyone know if this will have an effect on the sale of private plates?. Say I find a 40 year old pile of rust with a V5 and cherished number, I therefore don't need to get the car MOT'd in order to sell the plate then?.
On the original gassing thread about this I posted that my MOT bloke will do an hours inspection on mine when it reaches 40 rather than an MOT, some asked me why not just get it MOT'd instead, well in truth, while the MOT guy is good and understands classics, I personally don't put too much faith in a test designed for 3 year old cars done on one that's 37 years out of date.
Lastly, does anyone know if this will have an effect on the sale of private plates?. Say I find a 40 year old pile of rust with a V5 and cherished number, I therefore don't need to get the car MOT'd in order to sell the plate then?.
texaxile said:
On the original gassing thread about this I posted that my MOT bloke will do an hours inspection on mine when it reaches 40 rather than an MOT, some asked me why not just get it MOT'd instead, well in truth, while the MOT guy is good and understands classics, I personally don't put too much faith in a test designed for 3 year old cars done on one that's 37 years out of date.
The test is designed for all vehicles. Which bit do you have an issue with?texaxile said:
Lastly, does anyone know if this will have an effect on the sale of private plates?. Say I find a 40 year old pile of rust with a V5 and cherished number, I therefore don't need to get the car MOT'd in order to sell the plate then?
Plate transfer eligibility is based on tax, not MOT. Remember, it's five years since pre-60 cars needed to be MOTd...texaxile said:
Lastly, does anyone know if this will have an effect on the sale of private plates?. Say I find a 40 year old pile of rust with a V5 and cherished number, I therefore don't need to get the car MOT'd in order to sell the plate then?.
A friend tried this on his pre-60 MOT exempt vehicle, and was told to get the car MOT'd before the transfer could take place. He duly "obtained" an MOT on his pile of rust and the DVLA then said they would arrange an inspection. Perhaps he was just unlucky.That was a couple of years ago and things may have changed since then.
So is a 40+yr old car of a type that needs an mot ?
Eligibility
You must be the registered keeper and have the vehicle’s log book (V5C).
You can’t keep a number starting with ‘Q’ or ‘NIQ’.
The vehicle must:
be registered with DVLA in the UK
be available for inspection
be able to move under its own power
be of a type that needs an MOT or heavy goods vehicle (HGV) test certificate
either have been taxed (or have had a SORN in place) continuously for the last 5 years
Your vehicle will need to be taxed if it’s had a SORN for longer than 5 years. It might also need to be inspected.
Eligibility
You must be the registered keeper and have the vehicle’s log book (V5C).
You can’t keep a number starting with ‘Q’ or ‘NIQ’.
The vehicle must:
be registered with DVLA in the UK
be available for inspection
be able to move under its own power
be of a type that needs an MOT or heavy goods vehicle (HGV) test certificate
either have been taxed (or have had a SORN in place) continuously for the last 5 years
Your vehicle will need to be taxed if it’s had a SORN for longer than 5 years. It might also need to be inspected.
TooMany2cvs said:
Plate transfer eligibility is based on tax, not MOT. Remember, it's five years since pre-60 cars needed to be MOTd...
Ahh...I stand corrected. Re the MOT test, A lot of it is open to interpretation by the tester, so it's not really the test per se. When I book my Lancer in, I always make sure the same guy does it as he knows the car and has worked on it before, as he understands classic cars. Maybe it's just a personal thing on my part, but the test itself I just feel "covers the bases" while an actual inspection would be more thorough. Possibly like yourself, when the time comes to part with it (dreading that day) , I'd rather sell it on with the evidence to show it has been looked after and maintained, plus stuff like clips falling out or rust starting to appear on the brake lines might not be picked up during an MOT.
Norfolkandchance said:
Breadvan72 said:
Car as Mistress - 80s stylee -
Other companies use the South of France or California. Well done Lotus for getting all the way from Hethel to Thetford Forest!
TooMany2cvs said:
V8 Fettler said:
Would be useful if garages could offer an MOT-type test for MOT exempt vehicles without the results being recorded at the DVSA (or whatever it's called this week), that would encourage more owners of MOT exempt vehicles to have them tested by someone who should be competent.
They can. Just because no MOT is legally required doesn't mean you can't take your car for an MOT.V8 Fettler said:
TooMany2cvs said:
V8 Fettler said:
Would be useful if garages could offer an MOT-type test for MOT exempt vehicles without the results being recorded at the DVSA (or whatever it's called this week), that would encourage more owners of MOT exempt vehicles to have them tested by someone who should be competent.
They can. Just because no MOT is legally required doesn't mean you can't take your car for an MOT.Nice to be kept up to date with these developments. I think the original idea was to have a 25 year rolling exemption from tax but not the MOT test. It's worth bearing in mind that the equipment used by testers does vary. My understanding is that one man can test a car if the garage has a shaker plate affair to check bushes and so on, otherwise it's a two man job. The tester I was friendly with explained this, making the obvious point that the shaker exerts a lot more force than a person could. He often made the point that the test is, apart from brake tests and so on, a largely visual test and no dismantling is allowed. He's often shown horrible examples of what undertrays and shields can conceal - on some cars he would take these off as a further safety check for advice.
I know this is all a bit rambly, but my main point would be to try to keep up with legislation and find a decent garage. I liked the tale of the VW handbrake failure - a car of mine failed because the rear foglights didn't work. In fact they did when they were switched on, but that tester was not pleased at all and I had to go back next day for a retest.
I know this is all a bit rambly, but my main point would be to try to keep up with legislation and find a decent garage. I liked the tale of the VW handbrake failure - a car of mine failed because the rear foglights didn't work. In fact they did when they were switched on, but that tester was not pleased at all and I had to go back next day for a retest.
lowdrag said:
As my E-type approaches 60, it is a car that can still be driven at 130 mph on the road should I wish to risk pain and penury with the BiB. It is well maintained, has never failed an MOT in 36 years, but does perhaps require an annual official once-over. Let's be honest; it doesn't get driven at those speeds any more, does about 1,500 miles a year at most, mostly at relatively sedate speeds, and has been modified with better brakes and suspension. So the lack of a MOT fazes me not. The XKSS has over 300bhp, is capable, if I use the long axle, of a theoretical 180 mph but would I dare to try it? Not on your nelly I would, unless I am perhaps at somewhere like Bruntingthorpe. We hit a heady 100 mph Sunday, risking life and limb, but if she sees three figures more than three times a year I must have been smoking illegal substances. No, I worry not for my cars, nor Escort Mexicos which since their values have exploded are too valuable to risk as well. But there must be some relatively modern tin out there which are less valuable and which therefore are less well maintained that people might risk. It's a conundrum, that's what it is. But those wise sages have pronounced, so there we go.
But there may be other car of similar age. doing few miles so the owner thinks his 15 year old tyres are ok because their 5mm tread is still there. There is also the issue of modern fuel mixtures playing havoc with old fuel lines. My own car suffered a leaky fuel line near the tank last year, and it wasn't apparent the previous day when it went through its MOT - both MOT man and myself saw no leak. It became noticeable due to engine running so badly. If the pipe had leaked in a similar manner at the engine, one hell of a fire could have occurred!Gassing Station | Classic Cars and Yesterday's Heroes | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff