JD Classics, what have they been up to?

JD Classics, what have they been up to?

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silentbrown

8,837 posts

116 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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Doofus said:
Jim Y Savile?
yikes

John Young Stewart. AKA Jackie smile

DonkeyApple

55,287 posts

169 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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Doofus said:
Nikki Lauda drove me round Brands in a Transit once.

Bet that's worth a fortune.
Was that the transit they used to run during the GP weekend? I had a ride in that. No idea who was driving it then.

Doofus

25,819 posts

173 months

Wednesday 5th August 2020
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silentbrown said:
Doofus said:
Jim Y Savile?
yikes

John Young Stewart. AKA Jackie smile
Oh.

Kind of makes more sense, although when I was a kid, he confused me. I thought he was out of the Bay City Rollers, but my sister didn't fancy him

neutral 3

6,484 posts

170 months

Saturday 17th October 2020
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The showroom in Maldon is up for sale.

CanAm

9,206 posts

272 months

Saturday 17th October 2020
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Doofus said:
Nikki Lauda drove me round Brands in a Transit once.

Bet that's worth a fortune.
James Hunt drove me, the future MrsC and her family round Oulton Park in a Bedford CF minibus (He was sponsored by Vauxhall in his early years) That stands even less chance of surviving than the Transit.

jeff666

2,323 posts

191 months

Saturday 17th October 2020
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Mikebentley said:
I don’t want to name names but a now deceased uncle used to build a particular pre war car into race cars with great success and was a world wide renowned specialist. He would buy any gearboxes or engines he could many of which were formerly marine or military vehicle running gear. He would then create VSCC competition vehicles from random parts and sell them for £250k each.

He had an English wheel and when buyers from overseas came round to his workshop would roll ally back and forth for 30 seconds nodding and implying he created the £20k bodies himself. He paid an old skilled drunk from the village who for day rate knocked them up in a week or two. When I asked him how these cars were given identities and reg plates and passed scrutineering he showed me the old factory records which he owned. He then pointed out he was the VSCC scrutineer for that particular car.

He was an oily belligerent old bugger with a fantastic mind and mechanical ability the match of anyone. If he told you it was Tuesday on Monday you believed him.

What he did was give them what they wanted and I for one miss him. These cars are just “Triggers broom”. Fools and their money.

P.S. If he knew someone had nothing he would give his time and knowledge for free. Before he died he was funding a mechanical apprenticeship for disadvantaged kids costing him millions.
So he was a con Man then ?

RichB

51,572 posts

284 months

Saturday 17th October 2020
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Mikebentley said:
I don’t want to name names but a now deceased uncle used to build a particular pre war car into race cars with great success and was a world wide renowned specialist. He would buy any gearboxes or engines he could many of which were formerly marine or military vehicle running gear. He would then create VSCC competition vehicles from random parts and sell them for £250k each.

He had an English wheel and when buyers from overseas came round to his workshop would roll ally back and forth for 30 seconds nodding and implying he created the £20k bodies himself. He paid an old skilled drunk from the village who for day rate knocked them up in a week or two. When I asked him how these cars were given identities and reg plates and passed scrutineering he showed me the old factory records which he owned. He then pointed out he was the VSCC scrutineer for that particular car.

He was an oily belligerent old bugger with a fantastic mind and mechanical ability the match of anyone. If he told you it was Tuesday on Monday you believed him.

What he did was give them what they wanted and I for one miss him. These cars are just “Triggers broom”. Fools and their money.

P.S. If he knew someone had nothing he would give his time and knowledge for free. Before he died he was funding a mechanical apprenticeship for disadvantaged kids costing him millions.
Who was your uncle? I love pre-war and Edwardian races so would be fascinated to know.

TurboScab

49 posts

283 months

Monday 26th October 2020
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Here's today's High Court judgment In Tuke v Hood

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Comm/2020/2843...

BobToc

1,775 posts

117 months

Monday 26th October 2020
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There are some serious eyebrow raisers in that document, and I'm barely through the first page.

silentbrown

8,837 posts

116 months

Monday 26th October 2020
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TL;DR : Damages of £13m+ awarded to Tuke. God knows how he'll collect them...

Administrators of JD said:
The affidavit supplied in support of that application stated that the Administrators "have rarely, if ever, seen a fraud which is as multi-faceted or as wide-ranging as Mr. Hood's fraud is now thought to be …" including that: "a. at least 29 of JDCL's top 50 sales by profit were fictitious, of which 28 were entirely fictitious; b. at least a further 15 sales, including four of the top 50 sales by profit, related to a transaction with a third party which was allegedly not concluded but was recorded in the books and records; c. in addition, outside the top 50 sales, a further 8 sales were entirely fictitious; … f. Mr. Hood was only able to accomplish this alleged fraud because, in large part, he appears to have either grossly overstated the value of sales and purchase transactions which did occur, or to have generated entirely false sales and purchase transactions in JDCL's books and records."

BobToc

1,775 posts

117 months

Monday 26th October 2020
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I haven't been following this in detail, but presumably Mr Hood took money off the table when he sold out to Charme?

BobToc

1,775 posts

117 months

Monday 26th October 2020
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Ah, they took £38m out and now Charme are after them for it as well.

RichB

51,572 posts

284 months

Monday 26th October 2020
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BobToc said:
Ah, they took £38m out and now Charme are after them for it as well.
They being who in this case, Derek Hood?

dr_gn

16,163 posts

184 months

Monday 26th October 2020
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Doofus said:
Nikki Lauda drove me round Brands in a Transit once.

Bet that's worth a fortune.
Shame it wasn’t Niki Lauda, would be worth even more.

RichB

51,572 posts

284 months

Monday 26th October 2020
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dr_gn said:
Doofus said:
Nikki Lauda drove me round Brands in a Transit once.
Bet that's worth a fortune.
Shame it wasn’t Niki Lauda, would be worth even more.
As Doofus said in another thread he has zero interest in F1 so perhaps he didn't know who he was, let alone spell his name. hehe

BobToc

1,775 posts

117 months

Monday 26th October 2020
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RichB said:
They being who in this case, Derek Hood?
And his wife. From paragraph 109:

On 12 August 2016, all the shares in JDC Classics Holdings Ltd were purchased by Daytona Bidco Ltd ("Daytona Bidco"), an SPV incorporated by Charme Capital Partners, a private equity fund, for the purpose of acquiring and holding the shares in JDC. Mr. Hood remained CEO and director, and a major beneficial shareholder. Mr. and Mrs. Hood received consideration in excess of £38m in respect of that sale.

RichB

51,572 posts

284 months

Monday 26th October 2020
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BobToc said:
RichB said:
They being who in this case, Derek Hood?
And his wife. From paragraph 109:

[quote]On 12 August 2016, all the shares in JDC Classics Holdings Ltd were purchased by Daytona Bidco Ltd ("Daytona Bidco"), an SPV incorporated by Charme Capital Partners, a private equity fund, for the purpose of acquiring and holding the shares in JDC. Mr. Hood remained CEO and director, and a major beneficial shareholder. Mr. and Mrs. Hood received consideration in excess of £38m in respect of that sale.
Thanks, and wow.

Having just experienced the sale of a company for £55m over the last 6 months I am amazed that none of the "dodgy dealings" (can't call them fraudulent because back then they were judged as fraudulent) were not exposed by the buyers due diligence. We had a team from Ernst & Young, a team of software specialists and the buyer's lawyers crawling all over every piece of information in the data room. For such blaten crooked operations to have slipped through makes me wonder whether the buyers didn't really want to know too much about it. scratchchin

BobToc

1,775 posts

117 months

Monday 26th October 2020
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Yes I quite agree. I'm in a related line of business and it strikes me that the kind of behaviour described is exactly what you'd expect the TS team to be looking for.

dr_gn

16,163 posts

184 months

Monday 26th October 2020
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RichB said:
dr_gn said:
Doofus said:
Nikki Lauda drove me round Brands in a Transit once.
Bet that's worth a fortune.
Shame it wasn’t Niki Lauda, would be worth even more.
As Doofus said in another thread he has zero interest in F1 so perhaps he didn't know who he was, let alone spell his name. hehe
Always love it when people name-drop, but get the name wrong.

lowdrag

12,892 posts

213 months

Monday 26th October 2020
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I haven't read it all, but it seems to me that Tuke sued for £9 million and effectively was awarded a tad short of this sum. A result for Tuke, but - will he see the colour of Hood's money?