JD Classics, what have they been up to?
Discussion
DonkeyApple said:
grumpy52 said:
If you want to experience shambolic public transport come and live in SE Kent .
No buses before 7am and in many areas none after 6pm .
Many local Surgeries have no bus service within 1/2 a mile , local leisure center is not on a bus route, no buses on a Sunday.
Fancy a trip to a London show (only 70 odd miles away) that will mean an overnight stay as the last train leaves before the show has finished.
Need to get to a hospital for an appointment good luck with that ! It will usually involve 3 buses , or two buses and a train .
Also good luck trying to get on a bus at school in and out times and often in the afternoon a break in service appears after the school runs .
If you are lucky enough to be near a main station the new high speed trains are very quick , but expensive if you buy tickets at the wrong time .
SE Kent has always been like that though. It’s not like it was a preferred London dormitory that has radically changed. No buses before 7am and in many areas none after 6pm .
Many local Surgeries have no bus service within 1/2 a mile , local leisure center is not on a bus route, no buses on a Sunday.
Fancy a trip to a London show (only 70 odd miles away) that will mean an overnight stay as the last train leaves before the show has finished.
Need to get to a hospital for an appointment good luck with that ! It will usually involve 3 buses , or two buses and a train .
Also good luck trying to get on a bus at school in and out times and often in the afternoon a break in service appears after the school runs .
If you are lucky enough to be near a main station the new high speed trains are very quick , but expensive if you buy tickets at the wrong time .
No one has ever gone to live there because of its excellent commute to London so there’s little logic in complaining that it is not one of the favoured commuter zones.
The Tabard Inn in Southwark to Canterbury was a four day journey so times have still improved dramatically.
I see an ex-Hood hot-rodded moggie is for sale. Looks a beast! Maybe it'll attract a notoriety premium one day?
https://themarket.co.uk/listings/morris/minor-supe...
https://themarket.co.uk/listings/morris/minor-supe...
"He says it is a real street sleeper, passing almost unnoticed by all but the most knowledgeable of enthusiasts"
I don't think it would take a knowledgeable enthusiast to spot the roll cage if they hadn't already noticed the lowered stance and wide wheels. As for "blowing the competition into the weeds", what was he racing? Bicycles?
I don't think it would take a knowledgeable enthusiast to spot the roll cage if they hadn't already noticed the lowered stance and wide wheels. As for "blowing the competition into the weeds", what was he racing? Bicycles?
Burwood said:
Doofus said:
cardigankid said:
I’m saying that I don’t think that it was fraud. I think that it was a lot of loose chat and salesman’s patter indeed pressure, which we have all experienced, none of which formed the basis of a contract of sale. And this worries me. Are we saying that everything a sales person, not just cars, says is legally binding. That has never been the case, and for good reason, which is that commercially it doesn’t work. The courts seem desperately keen to crack down on the what they see as the Arthur Daley’s of this world, but most of them really don’t understand anything about the business. The law does not exist to prevent fools being parted from their money, or to make bad deals better. If all this was so important to Tuke, who was a business person making an investment, he should have set about it in a businesslike way and agreed terms in writing. Instead he seems to have assumed that Derek Hood was his best mate, gone into JD and splashed the cash without any prior investigation.
But that's preciseley the point of the case. The plaintif claims Hood was acting as agent, and the defendant pleads otherwise.My view on this was coloured by two things. Firstly, the earlier Stanley Mann/Brewer case, where Stanley Mann was clearly discriminated against by the court purely because he was a second hand car dealer, when on objective reading of the facts he had done nothing wrong, and secondly because Tuke, an experienced businessman, entered the deal with such a lack of due care and common sense that it is hard to feel any sympathy for him whatsoever.
It can be hard to do, but if you are buying a car from a dealer, however sympathetic, however much you want to lay your hands on the wheel, Caveat Emptor applies.
In the world of high value classic cars, nothing is, I suspect, quite what it seems. This is the same in the field of art and antiques of various types. I think these are fields best left to people with enormous amounts of money to burn.
I wonder if Lowdrag could advise us where he thinks the best places to look if one wants the C or D Type experience today, at a reasonable price?
Did I dream there being a separate bump thread about this imbroglio? Someone asked me what I thought about some info on that thread. I couldn't be arsed to read the info in question at the time, but today I am busy at work, and so am doing full on displacement activity/procrastination, and thus thought that I would have a shufty; but that thread seems to have legged it.
cardigankid said:
I wonder if Lowdrag could advise us where he thinks the best places to look if one wants the C or D Type experience today, at a reasonable price?
Frankly, your reference to "caveat emptor" is the main thing. Some time back we managed to have XKD 604 removed from sale because it was an out and out fake. The car had its first outing at Silverstone on Easter Monday 1956 and ended up like this after two laps:-
Note that the rear wheel is touching the wheel arch in front and the front wheel the arch behind and the chassis is therefore bent. According to Jaguar records the car was dismantled for parts. Subsequently the car was "found", minus the body in Merchiston Mews in the Ecurie Ecosse stores in 1977. Except that EE were made bankrupt in 1971 and the locale relet. It had an estimated price of $5 million, but now resides in the UK belonging to Joe Ferrari and all traces of the chassis number have now been erased and it races as a replica. It is reputed, but I cannot verify, that the car was sold for a tad over £1 million.
The history of many C and D types is fraught with stories, such as XKC 402 where the description was "economical with the truth". If one has the means to buy a D-type one is advised to take the opinion of several experts and first of all to buy the "Jaguar C, D and lightweight E-type Register" book. Lots of information on all the cars, real and iffy.
PS I've just found the original thread here:-
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=11...
But, coming back to the original question, I've had two Lynx D-types, long and short nose, and loved them equally. I drove a real D-type at Donington once many moons ago, but it would take a far more knowledgeable person than me to tell you the difference. The D-type was live axle, the majority of Lynx IRS from an E-type, but they did build several with live axles on request. The others, all live axle, would be the Wingfield cars. Both have alloy bodies.
Edited by lowdrag on Sunday 13th October 15:27
lowdrag said:
They took it down BV. I asked why and they said - and I quote:-
"Hi, Your topic 'Bump - J D Classics' has been removed for the following reason: Sorry, but this is not a topic we wish for on the forums".
I asked why since this thread has been going fpr yonks, and they didn't reply.
I think that the moderation of PH is done by some sort of random bot, as it routinely defies any form of logic. Moderators never enter into discussion about their capricious and often bizarre interventions. "Hi, Your topic 'Bump - J D Classics' has been removed for the following reason: Sorry, but this is not a topic we wish for on the forums".
I asked why since this thread has been going fpr yonks, and they didn't reply.
lowdrag said:
The history of many C and D types is fraught with stories, such as XKC 402 where the description was "economical with the truth". If one has the means to buy a D-type one is advised to take the opinion of several experts and first of all to buy the "Jaguar C, D and lightweight E-type Register" book. Lots of information on all the cars, real and iffy.
Happens with all sorts of cars. I used to help with a register of one particular relatively rare car, all numbered individually, which was hosted online, it was taken down because of the threat of legal action by the owner of one of the cars. The website owner didn't want to fight a court case for what is an enthusiast site.Edited by lowdrag on Sunday 13th October 15:27
I thing that this was one of them BV:-
https://www.motorious.com/articles/news/304853/der...
And this another, although there are many and I could be wrong. But they all more or less recount the same stories:-
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/19/tycoon...
https://www.motorious.com/articles/news/304853/der...
And this another, although there are many and I could be wrong. But they all more or less recount the same stories:-
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/19/tycoon...
lowdrag said:
cardigankid said:
I wonder if Lowdrag could advise us where he thinks the best places to look if one wants the C or D Type experience today, at a reasonable price?
Frankly, your reference to "caveat emptor" is the main thing. Some time back we managed to have XKD 604 removed from sale because it was an out and out fake. The car had its first outing at Silverstone on Easter Monday 1956 and ended up like this after two laps:-Note that the rear wheel is touching the wheel arch in front and the front wheel the arch behind and the chassis is therefore bent. According to Jaguar records the car was dismantled for parts. Subsequently the car was "found", minus the body in Merchiston Mews in the Ecurie Ecosse stores in 1977. Except that EE were made bankrupt in 1971 and the locale relet. It had an estimated price of $5 million, but now resides in the UK belonging to Joe Ferrari and all traces of the chassis number have now been erased and it races as a replica. It is reputed, but I cannot verify, that the car was sold for a tad over £1 million.
The history of many C and D types is fraught with stories, such as XKC 402 where the description was "economical with the truth". If one has the means to buy a D-type one is advised to take the opinion of several experts and first of all to buy the "Jaguar C, D and lightweight E-type Register" book. Lots of information on all the cars, real and iffy.
PS I've just found the original thread here:-
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=11...
But, coming back to the original question, I've had two Lynx D-types, long and short nose, and loved them equally. I drove a real D-type at Donington once many moons ago, but it would take a far more knowledgeable person than me to tell you the difference. The D-type was live axle, the majority of Lynx IRS from an E-type, but they did build several with live axles on request. The others, all live axle, would be the Wingfield cars. Both have alloy bodies.
Edited by lowdrag on Sunday 13th October 15:27
The thread on the 604 and the related series of comments on http://coventryracers.collectordata.com/cars/detai... would provide a number of names of people I think you'd wish to discuss any purchase with.
lowdrag said:
It had an estimated price of $5 million, but now resides in the UK belonging to Joe Ferrari and all traces of the chassis number have now been erased and it races as a replica. It is reputed, but I cannot verify, that the car was sold for a tad over £1 million.
Or maybe Joe Macari? Edited by lowdrag on Sunday 13th October 15:27
a8hex said:
I doubt there is any such thing as a real C or D type at a "reasonable prices" these days.
The thread on the 604 and the related series of comments on http://coventryracers.collectordata.com/cars/detai... would provide a number of names of people I think you'd wish to discuss any purchase with.
And in that thread it is interesting to note who was defending the car. Most of the posts are from Greg Johnson, the previous owner, who had spent years trying to puff up the history of the car. I have photos of it at Car 'n Coffee and at a circuit where it did a promotional tour. But here a re two photos that might interest you all; one of the overstamped chassis piece, and the other of the new de Dion suspension that it now has.The thread on the 604 and the related series of comments on http://coventryracers.collectordata.com/cars/detai... would provide a number of names of people I think you'd wish to discuss any purchase with.
However, all this has been covered numerous times. BV says there seem to no more legal noise about the case (and I thank him for his informed opinion) so we shall have to wait I guess.
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