JD Classics, what have they been up to?
Discussion
CKY said:
To be honest I think the chap is just exceedingly wealthy with a low boredom threshold, apparently so far in 2023 alone he's bought 84 cars of which this CSL was one of them. He's no classic car expert by all means so probably wouldn't have known, but i'm glad someone bought it that's wealthy enough to seek recompense from the supplying specialist. Had I bought the car and found all this out, there's a chance i'd have been stuck with some bodged E9 that i'd have to live with; I definitely wouldn't be able to buy a £180k car, then be able to pay for a bare metal restoration and a court case on top.
Scarce original Ceylon CSL that I had in some years ago…..
In my forty years of Jaguar I have seem so many dodgy dealers. One in SW England who was well known back in the 90's for debiting your card for spare parts that "were in stock" (something that also happened to my daughter only yesterday) and back then people just lost their money. That same person agreed to meet a friend in a service station on the M1 to sell a C-type sump. None of the bolt holes matched up and he never got his money back. That one is still carrying on in Germany now. A client of mine who showed me continuous monthly bills for a restoration of an XK150. Each month there was a small amount for filler. I counted over 56 lbs he had forked out for!. A boot lid that was so heavy and found to be full of lead filler. The E-type I posted earlier. full of fibreglass. And even I got caught after sending an engine to a well-known restorer and having to have the engine restored twice in the end. Of course, they had folded by the time I found out. Etc, etc
lowdrag said:
In my forty years of Jaguar I have seem so many dodgy dealers. One in SW England who was well known back in the 90's for debiting your card for spare parts that "were in stock" (something that also happened to my daughter only yesterday) and back then people just lost their money. That same person agreed to meet a friend in a service station on the M1 to sell a C-type sump. None of the bolt holes matched up and he never got his money back. That one is still carrying on in Germany now. A client of mine who showed me continuous monthly bills for a restoration of an XK150. Each month there was a small amount for filler. I counted over 56 lbs he had forked out for!. A boot lid that was so heavy and found to be full of lead filler. The E-type I posted earlier. full of fibreglass. And even I got caught after sending an engine to a well-known restorer and having to have the engine restored twice in the end. Of course, they had folded by the time I found out. Etc, etc
It's no different for other marques. It's just a market that attracts smart people who didn't do well at school as there are next to no barriers to entry, has little to no regulation of merit, lots of money to be made grifting and a customer base with a propensity to believe buying an object moves them up the social ladder and a willingness to believe someone based on their attire and accent. Another common wheeze was and maybe still is, the swapping of rare parts off customer cars when in for work with copies. And there are plenty of owners who know or at best, suspect their car isn't what it purports to be but are financially and socially incentivised to keep schtum and make themselves part of the act.
It's a market that is no different from any other in this regard.
DonkeyApple said:
It's no different for other marques. It's just a market that attracts smart people who didn't do well at school as there are next to no barriers to entry, has little to no regulation of merit, lots of money to be made grifting and a customer base with a propensity to believe buying an object moves them up the social ladder and a willingness to believe someone based on their attire and accent.
Another common wheeze was and maybe still is, the swapping of rare parts off customer cars when in for work with copies. And there are plenty of owners who know or at best, suspect their car isn't what it purports to be but are financially and socially incentivised to keep schtum and make themselves part of the act.
It's a market that is no different from any other in this regard.
So true re swapping of parts, also had parts taken off my car for copying etc without my knowledge or permission. Another common wheeze was and maybe still is, the swapping of rare parts off customer cars when in for work with copies. And there are plenty of owners who know or at best, suspect their car isn't what it purports to be but are financially and socially incentivised to keep schtum and make themselves part of the act.
It's a market that is no different from any other in this regard.
lowdrag said:
Lile father like son, it seems. Have any of you seen that the Millie Miglia have issued the following statement stripping the company (J D Classics) of any rights to say they are the sponsors of the rally? So we seem to be back to square one, when the pld company was sold and quickly went under due to fraud and are still being sued for a mere £64 million, were bought by Woodhall Mortimer, decided the original name was "more appropriate" asnd where we go from here heaven knows
There is a thread on Facebook JDC Historic Replica where a person seems to have bought a place in the rally but has received no paperwork nor been refunded. So round we go again, it seems
Just doing a bit of idle browsing and ended up on the There is a thread on Facebook JDC Historic Replica where a person seems to have bought a place in the rally but has received no paperwork nor been refunded. So round we go again, it seems
I see they still have the 1000 Miglia logo on the landing page.
Are they still being a bit naughty? I guess it doesn't say they are connected, but it certainly looks like that is what they are trying to imply.
I see Goodwood also still say that JD Classics are one of their partners - though I suspect that is an 'old' link which hasn't been updated.
https://www.goodwood.com/motorsport/members-meetin...
RichB said:
Scrappydoo30 said:
My partner has been working thee for the past year. They have monthly open mornings.
Put your name on the list and come along.
Ah but is it real coffee or instant poured from a cafetiere to make you think it's the real deal? Put your name on the list and come along.
Scrappydoo30 said:
My partner has been working thee for the past year. They have monthly open mornings.
Put your name on the list and come along.
I don't doubt that some of the people who work there do a great job. Quality of work was always very good.Put your name on the list and come along.
However, you can see from the posts that follow yous, there is an instant impression that they are not to be trusted as a company.
This is then further reinforced by the fact they have the 1000 Miglia logo on their main page when they have been told to disassociate from it.
If they want to continue in a 'clean' manner, why not just continue as Woodham Mortimer and not resurrect the JDC name?
DonkeyApple said:
RichB said:
Scrappydoo30 said:
My partner has been working thee for the past year. They have monthly open mornings.
Put your name on the list and come along.
Ah but is it real coffee or instant poured from a cafetiere to make you think it's the real deal? Put your name on the list and come along.
two anecdotes both Gross
When i was an apprentice engineer I worked at Wytch farm in the 80s , there were around 400 blue collar workers who used a portacabin for tea breaks , 2 very large Water urns , constantly supplying hot water .
At the end of the shift I just happened to be walking past the canteen and heard a cry , looking in to see the " tea boy fishing out a used pair of skids from the Urn !! ............ thankfully i had a thermos !!
Second occasion in the Sahara desert , working for Amareda Hess on a workover rig , Only 4 expats on the job , Drilling supervisor was French and a real t
t, to the Algerian camp staff , one particular chef was a Black guy from Mali. he would cook eggs for this chap and every morning something was always wrong , too runny , overcooked etc............they weren't Frenchie was just being a tt. Now the rest of us got on very well with the camp staff , and I made a point of bringing in stuff for them .pens etc . so our meals were always perfect
"
I sat down to breakfast one morn............ And The Frenchie was complaining as usual ,,,,,,,,,,,, Where's my Omelette" Merde !! , after 2 mins he got up and went into the kitchen , we heard a yell ...... " You Dirty b
d " the chef had his trousers round his ankles and was in the process of adding extra protein to Frenchie's omelette ............ " Your Fired ,, Ill never forget the Chefs reply ... Ok Mister I may go but you have had me in your omelette for a week
Cor Blimey! I went around JD Classics some years back when they were near the North Sea. The prices were astronomical and the sales people were treating visitors like something they wanted to scrape off their shoes. And it seems they have taken on board the same attitude to car prices under the new ownership .An XK120 roadster for a mere £495,000, a couple of E-types (not flat floors) for £295,000, a MK 2 for £110,000 and an XK150S DHC a snip at £265,000. Two weeks back Sotheby's were selling E-types at Phoenix for about $100,000 as a comparison. Not a place I would think of visiting frankly.
Purosangue said:
DonkeyApple said:
RichB said:
Scrappydoo30 said:
My partner has been working thee for the past year. They have monthly open mornings.
Put your name on the list and come along.
Ah but is it real coffee or instant poured from a cafetiere to make you think it's the real deal? Put your name on the list and come along.
two anecdotes both Gross
When i was an apprentice engineer I worked at Wytch farm in the 80s , there were around 400 blue collar workers who used a portacabin for tea breaks , 2 very large Water urns , constantly supplying hot water .
At the end of the shift I just happened to be walking past the canteen and heard a cry , looking in to see the " tea boy fishing out a used pair of skids from the Urn !! ............ thankfully i had a thermos !!
Second occasion in the Sahara desert , working for Amareda Hess on a workover rig , Only 4 expats on the job , Drilling supervisor was French and a real t
t, to the Algerian camp staff , one particular chef was a Black guy from Mali. he would cook eggs for this chap and every morning something was always wrong , too runny , overcooked etc............they weren't Frenchie was just being a tt. Now the rest of us got on very well with the camp staff , and I made a point of bringing in stuff for them .pens etc . so our meals were always perfect
"
I sat down to breakfast one morn............ And The Frenchie was complaining as usual ,,,,,,,,,,,, Where's my Omelette" Merde !! , after 2 mins he got up and went into the kitchen , we heard a yell ...... " You Dirty b
d " the chef had his trousers round his ankles and was in the process of adding extra protein to Frenchie's omelette ............ " Your Fired ,, Ill never forget the Chefs reply ... Ok Mister I may go but you have had me in your omelette for a week
Did you even get "training" during an apprenticeship? No, I'm not talking of the foreman sending you to the stores for "a long weight", but much more personal. During the school holidays I got a job on the assembly line at a TV factory in the south of England. On the Friday, after I was getting more adept, I was suddenly decended on by the women on the line and dragged to the toilets. I was stripped from the waist down and a tin of Kiwi black was liberally applied to my private parts. I've never forgotten that, nor my mother asking why I wanted a bath when I got home. One might say that I was "Pye eyed".
DodgyGeezer said:
PAUL.S. said:
Whats the back story of the XJ13 rep they are parading at the moment? are they just fronting someone elses build or did they actually construct it?
I saw a half-built one in there many moons ago and work was going on - whether it was ever finished or not I don't recallI saw that as well during the ‘pomp era’ and they had a proper 4 cam engine for it. Would be quite the thing.
It may be that it was also one of the cars with an ‘interesting’ valuation on the books during said era.
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