40+ year old cars exempt from MOT?
Discussion
lowdrag said:
I fully understand your angst. Unfortunately, while not at liberty to tell you why, the self declaration is likely to continue and you are likely to be able to declare your eligibility forevermore. Your description of derrière and elbow are very apt, but the responsibility for the whole brouhaha goes much farther up the chain. In brief, everything that came out of the DfT was a smokescreen, because of the said derrière and whatsit. They could find neither one nor the other, so we ended up where we are, with a system that doesn't conform to anything that was ordained, but allows us all to drive contentedly into the sunset, having gaily ticked the box that your car conforms to the modified requirement even though it was made yesterday. Please don't ask questions about this dear chaps and chapesses, because while I have it in print, I have been asked not to print chapter and verse.
Why didn’t they make a current MOT s prerequisite of going into the new system? It would cut out barn finds and dodgy rebuilds in a stroke. The way things are going they’ll find twice as many cars entering the system than they thought existed as SORN’d.
V6 Pushfit said:
Why didn’t they make a current MOT s prerequisite of going into the new system? It would cut out barn finds and dodgy rebuilds in a stroke.
The way things are going they’ll find twice as many cars entering the system than they thought existed as SORN’d.
And I asked you not to ask questions The way things are going they’ll find twice as many cars entering the system than they thought existed as SORN’d.
lowdrag said:
V6 Pushfit said:
Why didn’t they make a current MOT s prerequisite of going into the new system? It would cut out barn finds and dodgy rebuilds in a stroke.
The way things are going they’ll find twice as many cars entering the system than they thought existed as SORN’d.
And I asked you not to ask questions The way things are going they’ll find twice as many cars entering the system than they thought existed as SORN’d.
lowdrag said:
Because the EU wanted to change things and we agreed for fear of upsetting the Brexit negotiations. Not that the two are in any way connected really, but we wanted to show that we are good boys and follow orders.
Not quite.The 2014 EU roadworthiness directive (which always had to be implemented before the end of May this year) says nothing at all about needing to have any kind of old-car-exemption in place. All it says is that if there is one, it must have some kind of originality test - which the UK's existing pre-60 blanket failed.
Getting shot of the pre-60 exemption would have been just as much in compliance with the directive. Keeping the 1960 date would have been fine, too. Everything above that is the UK's own free choice.
Just as it was your own country's choice to have a blanket CT exemption for all CGC-registered cars years back...
anonymous said:
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Had to tax my pre sorn Escort at the Post Office last Tuesday as the online system wouldn't accept it and it now shows up as Taxed with no MOT history on the website. It's not a rusting hulk and is road legal but for all they knew it could well have been. It would be no surprise to me should the bib show up for a quick check on some of these newly roadworthy classics appearing out of thin air.I did the online SORN thing on the TVR which was taxed to next year but the MOT had run out in Feb.
SORN last week and retax yesterday so now MOT free
Laughed when the declaration of conformity thing came up as the way it’s worded isn’t a declaration!!!
It’s a two line statement regarding the fact that some cars may have been altered and two check boxes either agreeing or not agreeing which is basically do I agree with the statement not if my car has been altered or not
It’s a classic cock up - I wish I had taken a screenshot!!!!
SORN last week and retax yesterday so now MOT free
Laughed when the declaration of conformity thing came up as the way it’s worded isn’t a declaration!!!
It’s a two line statement regarding the fact that some cars may have been altered and two check boxes either agreeing or not agreeing which is basically do I agree with the statement not if my car has been altered or not
It’s a classic cock up - I wish I had taken a screenshot!!!!
CAPP0 said:
So, when I get the V5 back I shall cancel the tax, wait 5 days, then re-tax for free and tick the MOT Exempt box and I *think* all will then be in order.
Good luck, my MOT ran out last year in August, it was declared SORN until the MOT exemption came in, I went to tax it, no tick box for the MOT exemption. As I was still recomissioning the car I thought, well, I'll just declare SORN again and try in another 5 days...Did it work? Did I see the tick box? Did I f***
Now the dvla online checker just shows 2 green boxes on there, taxed and then MOT no results returned. I've been driving it anyway and will explain the whole thing if I get a tug.
Not that I will as last year my daily failed it's MOT, I told the garage to carry out the work and re-test, they did the work, didn't put a years ticket on it. So come my reminder time on my phone I looked and I'd been driving for a whole year without an MOT. In that time I'd covered about 13k miles and been to Hull, London, Essex, Brighton.... Past countless coppers through probably a zillionty ANPRs etc and nothing happened.
£1000 fine indeed.
I think it'll be ok when I pop down the road for a coffee.
Edited by Cardinal Hips on Friday 6th July 07:40
V6 Pushfit said:
Laughed when the declaration of conformity thing came up as the way it’s worded isn’t a declaration!!!
It’s a two line statement regarding the fact that some cars may have been altered and two check boxes either agreeing or not agreeing which is basically do I agree with the statement not if my car has been altered or not
It’s a classic cock up - I wish I had taken a screenshot!!!!
Just a question, does it pop up in a separate window? Might explain why I've not seen it with my ad-blocker / pop up blocker. :-SIt’s a two line statement regarding the fact that some cars may have been altered and two check boxes either agreeing or not agreeing which is basically do I agree with the statement not if my car has been altered or not
It’s a classic cock up - I wish I had taken a screenshot!!!!
QUESTION:
The MOT on my 49 year old car expires next Tuesday.
The no cost VED expires at the end of this month.
I was intending to continue with the MOT regime even though
the car is now exempt.
But, I'm now not going to be able to move the car from the garage until
next month.
In terms of the new system declaring that the car is exempt from testing;
should I, or can I tax the car before, or after the current MOT expires?
After declaring the exemption, can I still take the car for it's MOT at a later date?
Thanks.
The MOT on my 49 year old car expires next Tuesday.
The no cost VED expires at the end of this month.
I was intending to continue with the MOT regime even though
the car is now exempt.
But, I'm now not going to be able to move the car from the garage until
next month.
In terms of the new system declaring that the car is exempt from testing;
should I, or can I tax the car before, or after the current MOT expires?
After declaring the exemption, can I still take the car for it's MOT at a later date?
Thanks.
Elderly said:
Sorry - by "Can't move it …."
I didn't mean legally, I meant physically get it to the MOT station !
Ah...I didn't mean legally, I meant physically get it to the MOT station !
Yeh, just SORN it or retax it or whatever - it costs nothing. If you want to test it, you can do whenever. The only thing is that you don't NEED to have a current test to tax it.
Elderly said:
QUESTION:
The MOT on my 49 year old car expires next Tuesday.
The no cost VED expires at the end of this month.
I was intending to continue with the MOT regime even though
the car is now exempt.
But, I'm now not going to be able to move the car from the garage until
next month.
In terms of the new system declaring that the car is exempt from testing;
should I, or can I tax the car before, or after the current MOT expires?
After declaring the exemption, can I still take the car for it's MOT at a later date?
Thanks.
That’s an easy one as you don’t need to SORN and UNSORN, just tax it at the end of next week as you’re less than a month from expiry. It’ll then come up with mot exempt and you’re done for the future The MOT on my 49 year old car expires next Tuesday.
The no cost VED expires at the end of this month.
I was intending to continue with the MOT regime even though
the car is now exempt.
But, I'm now not going to be able to move the car from the garage until
next month.
In terms of the new system declaring that the car is exempt from testing;
should I, or can I tax the car before, or after the current MOT expires?
After declaring the exemption, can I still take the car for it's MOT at a later date?
Thanks.
V6 Pushfit said:
That’s an easy one as you don’t need to SORN and UNSORN, just tax it at the end of next week as you’re less than a month from expiry. It’ll then come up with mot exempt and you’re done for the future
Thanks - So I'll wait until my present MOT expires before declaring an MOT exemption and applying for the tax.I asked the question as I was not sure if the new system would allow me to declare an exemption whilst the car still had a valid MOT.
Elderly said:
I asked the question as I was not sure if the new system would allow me to declare an exemption whilst the car still had a valid MOT.
The declaration is only to allow you to "buy" tax without an MOT.The car itself is exempt, no declaration needed, so long as it's 40+ and meets the originality test. It's taxed, it doesn't need an MOT, it's legal to use.
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