40+ year old cars exempt from MOT?
Discussion
clubsport said:
Having looked at the DVLA website for guidance, the Mot process doesn't seem totally clear to me?.
I have a 43 year old car that is currently tax exempt, the next rollover date for tax declaration is April 19.
The car has had continuous MOT tests with the current MOT running out before the end of this month.
From what I have derived from this thread, I can let the MOT lapse without issue or fear of penalty, as the car is taxed until April 2019.
When the tax (exempt) rollover comes around in 2019, at that point I can tick the MOT not required box.
Is this reasoning correct?
Is there any reason not to declare the car VH1 and MOT exempt?
Cheers.
I was in the same position, re-taxed in April, MoT ran out 6th July. I waited until the MoT had expired and then went through the "tax your car" routine, using the log book details rather than the normal reminder form number.I have a 43 year old car that is currently tax exempt, the next rollover date for tax declaration is April 19.
The car has had continuous MOT tests with the current MOT running out before the end of this month.
From what I have derived from this thread, I can let the MOT lapse without issue or fear of penalty, as the car is taxed until April 2019.
When the tax (exempt) rollover comes around in 2019, at that point I can tick the MOT not required box.
Is this reasoning correct?
Is there any reason not to declare the car VH1 and MOT exempt?
Cheers.
When I got to the car details it said the car could be MoT exempt and gave the basic guidance on if it needed an MoT or not. Ticked the box for MoT exempt and the DVLA just re-taxed the car from the 1st July.
I took that course because I might just meet a copper who was having a bad day and might insist that as I'd not formally declared the car MoT exempt then it wasn't. Picky I know, but this way it's covered for that eventuality.
b2hbm said:
clubsport said:
Having looked at the DVLA website for guidance, the Mot process doesn't seem totally clear to me?.
I have a 43 year old car that is currently tax exempt, the next rollover date for tax declaration is April 19.
The car has had continuous MOT tests with the current MOT running out before the end of this month.
From what I have derived from this thread, I can let the MOT lapse without issue or fear of penalty, as the car is taxed until April 2019.
When the tax (exempt) rollover comes around in 2019, at that point I can tick the MOT not required box.
Is this reasoning correct?
Is there any reason not to declare the car VH1 and MOT exempt?
Cheers.
I was in the same position, re-taxed in April, MoT ran out 6th July. I waited until the MoT had expired and then went through the "tax your car" routine, using the log book details rather than the normal reminder form number.I have a 43 year old car that is currently tax exempt, the next rollover date for tax declaration is April 19.
The car has had continuous MOT tests with the current MOT running out before the end of this month.
From what I have derived from this thread, I can let the MOT lapse without issue or fear of penalty, as the car is taxed until April 2019.
When the tax (exempt) rollover comes around in 2019, at that point I can tick the MOT not required box.
Is this reasoning correct?
Is there any reason not to declare the car VH1 and MOT exempt?
Cheers.
When I got to the car details it said the car could be MoT exempt and gave the basic guidance on if it needed an MoT or not. Ticked the box for MoT exempt and the DVLA just re-taxed the car from the 1st July.
I took that course because I might just meet a copper who was having a bad day and might insist that as I'd not formally declared the car MoT exempt then it wasn't. Picky I know, but this way it's covered for that eventuality.
This is exactly where it all falls down, as where the mot runs out before next tax then one has to make an at risk ‘assumption’ that the mot is no longer applicable - which could indeed be proved retrospectively wrong at the time of taxing or being pulled over.
clubsport said:
Having looked at the DVLA website for guidance, the Mot process doesn't seem totally clear to me?.
I have a 43 year old car that is currently tax exempt, the next rollover date for tax declaration is April 19.
The car has had continuous MOT tests with the current MOT running out before the end of this month.
From what I have derived from this thread, I can let the MOT lapse without issue or fear of penalty, as the car is taxed until April 2019.
When the tax (exempt) rollover comes around in 2019, at that point I can tick the MOT not required box.
It's nothing to do with any kind of "rollover" - it's simply that's when your current 12mo VED (£0) runs out, and you need to re-tax the car.I have a 43 year old car that is currently tax exempt, the next rollover date for tax declaration is April 19.
The car has had continuous MOT tests with the current MOT running out before the end of this month.
From what I have derived from this thread, I can let the MOT lapse without issue or fear of penalty, as the car is taxed until April 2019.
When the tax (exempt) rollover comes around in 2019, at that point I can tick the MOT not required box.
clubsport said:
Is this reasoning correct?
That's AIUI.The car itself is VHI. You only need to "declare" in order to tell the taxing process to ignore the MOT check, because you fit the exemption.
clubsport said:
Is there any reason not to declare the car VH1 and MOT exempt?
None at all - you just need to SORN it then re-tax it to do so. No cost, bar a bit of inconvenience.Let us put it this way. The DVLA computer has been reset like an alarm clock. As soon as your car is, according to their records, 40 years old you no longer need an MOT. Even if your MOT expires before the tax is due, you are now MOT exempt. So if you car becomes 40 on the 20th August and your tax is due in November, you can still drive it legally with no MOT. Then you renew in the usual way in November, ticking the box to confirm your car qualifies for no MOT. It appears that you will be required to tick this box at every renewal.
Edited by lowdrag on Wednesday 18th July 14:48
Question then Lowdrag - why doesn’t the mot exemption just kick in automatically without having to do sorn/unsorn ?
If its because some cars won’t pass the criteria (ie modified or issues with manufacturing dates etc) and you need that effectively self-certified as such at the time of retracing, then there is still a period of complete limbo until the tax runs out.
If its because some cars won’t pass the criteria (ie modified or issues with manufacturing dates etc) and you need that effectively self-certified as such at the time of retracing, then there is still a period of complete limbo until the tax runs out.
lowdrag said:
So if you car becomes 40 on the 20th August and your tax is due in November, you can still drive it legally with no MOT.
Provided it meets the originality tests.lowdrag said:
It appears that you will be required to tick this box at every renewal.
To confirm it still meets the originality tests... Not all VHI-failing mods need to be notified to DVLA, so they have no way of knowing if something is modified after being test-exempt.lowdrag said:
……….. ticking the box to confirm your car qualifies for no MOT. It appears that you will be required to tick this box at every renewal.
My MOT expired yesterday.My Vehicle Tax expires on the 31st of this month.
I have just renewed my Vehicle Tax on line from 1st August.
Nowhere did it ask me to confirm that my car qualifies - there was no box to tick - I ticked nothing.
It stated that my Application is Complete
.ETA I have just received an email 'Confirmation of Vehicle Tax.
Edited by Elderly on Wednesday 18th July 12:07
So, silly me, I suddenly realized that the E-type MOT has expired but the tax is valid until the end of August. So I went onto the DVSA site and got the big red warning that the car has no MOT and I could be liable for up to £1,000 fine. But, I am also referred to the DVLA guidelines and I quote:-
r (GB only) A vehicle other than a public service
vehicle registered or manufactured 40 years
ago and which has not been substantially
changed in the last 30 years.
So the car is legal because it is 57 years old. But, I decided to see what would happen if I tried to tax the car even though it hasn't run out. It then clicked on to the page requiring me to declare the car has not been modified within the last thirty years. I click the box and it moves on with no further ado asking for an email address to confirm that the renewal has taken place.
So, this proves that to SORN and then retax is not necessary at all. If your tax hasn't run out, you can either retax immediately for a further 12 months thus cancelling the tax already in force or just carry on with no MOT since the car is legal being over forty years old. So I clicked "YES" and now instead of my tax expiring at the end of August it expires at the end of June next year, the new tax starting 1/7/18 over-riding the old one that expires on 31/8/18.
r (GB only) A vehicle other than a public service
vehicle registered or manufactured 40 years
ago and which has not been substantially
changed in the last 30 years.
So the car is legal because it is 57 years old. But, I decided to see what would happen if I tried to tax the car even though it hasn't run out. It then clicked on to the page requiring me to declare the car has not been modified within the last thirty years. I click the box and it moves on with no further ado asking for an email address to confirm that the renewal has taken place.
So, this proves that to SORN and then retax is not necessary at all. If your tax hasn't run out, you can either retax immediately for a further 12 months thus cancelling the tax already in force or just carry on with no MOT since the car is legal being over forty years old. So I clicked "YES" and now instead of my tax expiring at the end of August it expires at the end of June next year, the new tax starting 1/7/18 over-riding the old one that expires on 31/8/18.
1970 car, did SORN and UNSORN three weeks ago and did the declaration and it all went through and it’s taxed with no NOT under the new system.
The online simple check says this:
But
The Gov website just says this on the cars MOT history:
So the simple check returns a ‘no history’ but no issues - but the MOT history listing is effectively calling for an MOT
????
The online simple check says this:
But
The Gov website just says this on the cars MOT history:
So the simple check returns a ‘no history’ but no issues - but the MOT history listing is effectively calling for an MOT
????
V6 Pushfit said:
The Gov website just says this on the cars MOT history:
So the simple check returns a ‘no history’ but no issues - but the MOT history listing is effectively calling for an MOT
No, it's not. Although it starts off by saying you've got no MoT and can be fined for driving without one, it ends by saying the car may be exempt with a link for you to check.So the simple check returns a ‘no history’ but no issues - but the MOT history listing is effectively calling for an MOT
But I agree that the software is a bit dumb. It obviously hasn't got anything to cross check between the MoT history and the vehicle tax data which would make the system much clearer. I can understand why they don't issue a "no mot needed" on age alone because at some point an owner may modify the car which takes it out of the MoT exemption, they'd have to check that the car was certified exempt every year when it was taxed. .
b2hbm said:
No, it's not. Although it starts off by saying you've got no MoT and can be fined for driving without one, it ends by saying the car may be exempt with a link for you to check.
Sorry but the link is just to a blank VT112 Form, with guidance notes on what is exempt and what isn’t. This is of no use whatsoever to anyone - say a buyer or someone else - wanting to check the actual MOT status of that particular vehicle. In fact as it’s a blank form someone following the link will think the MOT exemption hasn’t even been applied for yet.Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 20th July 06:19
Gassing Station | Classic Cars and Yesterday's Heroes | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff