40+ year old cars exempt from MOT?

[CAPP0]

I have question on this which I only picked up on yesterday, whilst checking what I need to do to exempt ny (growing) +40 year old fleet.

The gov.uk website states (somewhere, I'll try and find it again) that the exemption is for "vehicles first registered over 40 years ago from 21 May 2018".

I have a >40 year old bike which was imported from Canada, and if you check it's date of first registration, it shows as 2017, which was when I completed all the paperwork. It's the same age as another bike in the shed which will be exempt from next month but it appears this one isn't. Is that correct or have I read/interpreted it wrongly?

FWIW the bike is a standard model which was sold in this country too, I just happened to pick this one up already imported but not registered. I supplied an official dating certificate and it has an age-related plate.

[TooMany2cvs]

lowdrag said:

anonymous said:

[redacted]

It has already happened, and it seems there is no reaction at all.

https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/londo...

But was that vehicle-defect related, in a way that an MOT would have picked up? I'm not finding any conclusions from a google, only speculation that possibly the route change was unsuitable.

<thinks, checks>
In fact, even though exempt, David Corry's 1902 Benz was MOT'd at the time of the crash - the last test it had before the Nov 2017 crash was in April 2017, and it passed, as it had every year since its first computerised test in 2005. In those 11 tests, it got two advisories - a coolant leak in 2011 and slight play in a kingpin in 2017.

Obviously, there's going to be fatalities in MOT exempt vehicles. There are plenty in non-exempt vehicles, too... The question is whether any of those fatalities will be directly attributable to poor maintenance or condition that a test would have picked up.

[3200gt]

At the bottom of the v5 it should say declared manufactured on xxxx so it would then have an age related plate. It can then be declared historic assuming the manufacture date meets the requirement dates.
"If" its not on a age related plated and the v5 shows the date it was first registered in the UK only, your fooked without getting all changed first.

[Allan L]

CAPP0 said:

The gov.uk website states (somewhere, I'll try and find it again) that the exemption is for "vehicles first registered over 40 years ago from 21 May 2018".

What the Gov site says is:
[b] "Cars, vans, motorcycles and other light passenger vehicles won’t need to have an MOT if they’re over 40 years old and have not been substantially changed .

At the moment, only vehicles first built before 1960 are exempt from needing an MOT.

When the rules change on 20 May 2018, vehicles won’t need an MOT from the 40th anniversary of when they were registered. You can check the date the vehicle was registered online." [/b]

The bit about before 1960 is actually the wording that they should use for the changed rule and the sentence before does say ". . . over 40 years old. . . " but it then undermines the whole thing by concentrating on registration date.

[mgtony]

'40 years from the date of registration' I think is misleading. To qualify for the MOT exemption the car has to be registered as a Vehicle of Historic Interest (VHI), this is the following April of when the car becomes 40 years old.
My car is 40 years old now on the reg document, can't be registered as Historic till next April, will need an MOT until then.

[Maulden7]

Something I hadn't expected when the vehicle tax renewal on my already Historic Vehicle rated - but 1965 manufactured - Lotus Elan - became due at the end of April.

I received the DVLA reminder as usual, & on this it stated that I needed an appropriate MOT Test Certificate (which I expected as the new legislation doesn't come into effect until May 20th)

The current MOT expiry date is May 1st 2018.

However, as the car is off the road at the moment with the engine out I assumed that I would have to SORN it (is always insured for the full year) but when I came to do this online earlier today I found that I was able to renew the zero rated road tax (to take effect from May 1st) - not register as SORNED - & without renewing the MOT certificate.

It would appear that my car is now covered by the new (no MOT required) legislation ... which I had assumed would not be epplicable until May 20th.

I should add that I will submit the car to a voluntary "MOT inspection" once the engine is back in (I have a local MOT tester who does understand older cars & has known my car for nearly 20 years)

[TooMany2cvs]

Maulden7 said:

I received the DVLA reminder as usual, & on this it stated that I needed an appropriate MOT Test Certificate (which I expected as the new legislation doesn't come into effect until May 20th)

The current MOT expiry date is May 1st 2018.

However, as the car is off the road at the moment with the engine out I assumed that I would have to SORN it (is always insured for the full year) but when I came to do this online earlier today I found that I was able to renew the zero rated road tax (to take effect from May 1st) - not register as SORNED - & without renewing the MOT certificate.

It would appear that my car is now covered by the new (no MOT required) legislation ... which I had assumed would not be epplicable until May 20th.

No, it's simpler than that...

The new tax starts on 1st May.
You need an MOT on the day the new tax starts.
On 1st May, it has a valid MOT.

[Old Merc]

A friend of mine re-taxed her 1972 Peugeot on 1st April. The MOT expires 4th May. The car is off the road having its engine rebuilt and wont be used until at least June or July.
What does she have to do when the car is up and running? Just drive it and forget about MOT`s for good,as its 46 years old ? will Mr Plod`s NPR confirm it no longer needs an MOT.

[TooMany2cvs]

Old Merc said:

A friend of mine re-taxed her 1972 Peugeot on 1st April. The MOT expires 4th May. The car is off the road having its engine rebuilt and wont be used until at least June or July.
What does she have to do when the car is up and running? Just drive it and forget about MOT`s for good,as its 46 years old ? will Mr Plod`s NPR confirm it no longer needs an MOT.

I'd just drive it.

If she's really worried, then just SORN it in late May, then re-tax it. Not as if the tax costs anything...

[mgtony]

TooMany2cvs said:

Old Merc said:

A friend of mine re-taxed her 1972 Peugeot on 1st April. The MOT expires 4th May. The car is off the road having its engine rebuilt and wont be used until at least June or July.
What does she have to do when the car is up and running? Just drive it and forget about MOT`s for good,as its 46 years old ? will Mr Plod`s NPR confirm it no longer needs an MOT.

I'd just drive it.

If she's really worried, then just SORN it in late May, then re-tax it. Not as if the tax costs anything...

I think his point was more the MOT aspect.
The Gov website states:

"You won’t have to apply to stop getting an MOT for your vehicle.
However, each time you tax your historic vehicle (even if you don’t pay a fee), you’ll have to declare it meets the rules for not needing an MOT."

So when the car is back on the road, tax it and declare it MOT exempt.It looks like at the moment that will be by using the V112 form (that is at the moment still only for pre 1960 cars) or maybe they'll simplify it and have a tick box on the site when you tax it.

[TooMany2cvs]

mgtony said:

I think his point was more the MOT aspect.

Yes, quite.

She re-taxes now, it's OK because it's MOTd. But that MOT isn't then renewed, so it's showing as not tested, because it's not been declared VHI.

So re-tax it post-late-May, declaring VHI at the time, and it'll officially show as exempt.

mgtony said:

or maybe they'll simplify it and have a tick box on the site when you tax it.

I think that's a given.

[mgtony]

TooMany2cvs said:

I think that's a given.

What's the situation for pre '60 cars at the moment, fill in the separate V112 every year?

[TooMany2cvs]

mgtony said:

TooMany2cvs said:

I think that's a given.

What's the situation for pre '60 cars at the moment, fill in the separate V112 every year?

No, because pre-60 is blanket by age. The confusion's arising because of the originality VHI test that's coming in in May, not the extension of the age cut-off from pre-60 to 40yo+.

[Old Merc]

mgtony said:

TooMany2cvs said:

Old Merc said:

A friend of mine re-taxed her 1972 Peugeot on 1st April. The MOT expires 4th May. The car is off the road having its engine rebuilt and wont be used until at least June or July.
What does she have to do when the car is up and running? Just drive it and forget about MOT`s for good,as its 46 years old ? will Mr Plod`s NPR confirm it no longer needs an MOT.

I'd just drive it.

If she's really worried, then just SORN it in late May, then re-tax it. Not as if the tax costs anything...

I think his point was more the MOT aspect.
The Gov website states:

"You won’t have to apply to stop getting an MOT for your vehicle.
However, each time you tax your historic vehicle (even if you don’t pay a fee), you’ll have to declare it meets the rules for not needing an MOT."

So when the car is back on the road, tax it and declare it MOT exempt.It looks like at the moment that will be by using the V112 form (that is at the moment still only for pre 1960 cars) or maybe they'll simplify it and have a tick box on the site when you tax it.

Thanks for your feedback guys, I`m sure DVLA will have altered form V112 (I hope?) by the time this car is up and running. I suspect that in the future when you "Tax" a 40+ year old car online it will automatically identify it as MOT exempt. Or is that to simple for DVLA ?

[lowdrag]

I posted this elsewhere:-

After a struggle and a ping-pong game between the DVLA & DVSA I finally got the answer I have been looking for, If the MOT is out of date when you want to re-tax your car under the new rules you will not need a current MOT to do so. You will need to complete the form V112 but don't look for it yet because it still refers to pre-1960 cars and will be updated shortly. Then you fill that form in, take it to your nearest post office (can't be done on line) and get your tax, The form will then exempt you from future MOTs since your car will be registered as a VHI. HTH

[TooMany2cvs]

Old Merc said:

I suspect that in the future when you "Tax" a 40+ year old car online it will automatically identify it as MOT exempt.

If it's 40yo+ and historic tax class, then (as now), it'll automagically give you £0 VED.
It'll also ask you to confirm it's VHI. If you don't tick that, it'll MOT check.

[CAPP0]

OK, so I "re-taxed" a 1976 bike at the start of April (f.o.c) but the current MOT doesn't run out until some time in May. So if I ride it in, say, June, if it were to be ANPRd it would flag up as no MOT? But if I cancel the tax after May 21 and re-tax, I *should* get the option to declare it VHI and then it's happy days?

[anonymous-user]

Say the MOT has just run out, or say it’s a car that’s being restored for completion in June and in both cases had historic zero tax. Does the system automatically go onto no mot?

What’s the definitive on this?

[mk1coopers]

Interestingly if you go onto the .gov website then follow their link to check when a vehicle was registered it takes you to the MOT history page, not the general car check page, I did this on one of my cars that dropped off the system when they computerised it many years ago, when I bought it there was an inspection to retain its original number plate, so the date of registration is much later than the date of manufacture, the MOT section shows it registered as the date of manufacture, not the date of re-registration, so perhaps the system will use this information if the car is already MOT'd (or has been since MOT computerisation)

I guess we will all find out on the 20th of May !

[markymarkthree]

Simple answer to everyone who is struggling with this MOT exemption krap is to just get an MOT and you can then carry on as normal and not create any problems for yourself in the future.