40+ year old cars exempt from MOT?
Discussion
Sardonicus said:
b2hbm said:
Vanin said:
I have taken my 1952 car for a test every year and will also take all the others coming up for exemption.
If I had an accident which involved a fatality, a good barrister would have a field day if it was seen to be the case that my car had not been tested for say five years. Even if the accident was not my fault.
I think that £50 would be well spent especially being a small fraction of the insurance and other running costs of classics.
I can see why folks prefer to go for an annual test even when not required, but I don't agree with your point about accidents and no valid test certificate. If I had an accident which involved a fatality, a good barrister would have a field day if it was seen to be the case that my car had not been tested for say five years. Even if the accident was not my fault.
I think that £50 would be well spent especially being a small fraction of the insurance and other running costs of classics.
That scenario only applies if the barrister can prove the accident is due to lack of maintenance/unroadworthy car, and if that is a realistic avenue of prosecution they will do that whether you have an MoT or not.
The law says you've got to keep your car roadworthy and as it's been said before, the MoT is only proof that the car was roadworthy on the day it was tested. Not a week later, not a month later. IMO that's the big problem with the MoT, there will be owners who pass the test and then do nothing until the next one which isn't something you can do on an old car.
This guy is spot on
and factual Anyone still have the old blue v5c logbook? DVLA may have sent me the new red one, but I can't find it and the car has been SORNED since 2008, so may not have registered as requiring a new one. I have another car that's been off the road since before sorn and I definitely haven't been sent one for that car.
As an experiment, just tried taxing it online with the blue v5c ref number and it said number not recognised. But I'd like to know if that's because it's not MOT exempt yet or because I've been issued a new red v5c for it? If I need a new v5c, I could do with applying for it now so that it's ready to tax the car on 21st May.
As an experiment, just tried taxing it online with the blue v5c ref number and it said number not recognised. But I'd like to know if that's because it's not MOT exempt yet or because I've been issued a new red v5c for it? If I need a new v5c, I could do with applying for it now so that it's ready to tax the car on 21st May.
BajaBill said:
Anyone still have the old blue v5c logbook? DVLA may have sent me the new red one, but I can't find it and the car has been SORNED since 2008, so may not have registered as requiring a new one. I have another car that's been off the road since before sorn and I definitely haven't been sent one for that car.
As an experiment, just tried taxing it online with the blue v5c ref number and it said number not recognised. But I'd like to know if that's because it's not MOT exempt yet or because I've been issued a new red v5c for it? If I need a new v5c, I could do with applying for it now so that it's ready to tax the car on 21st May.
You should have been issued with a red V5C, back in about 2011-12. Blue ones are no longer valid - they (should have!) issued a red one when you first taxed or SORNed it after the 2011 introduction of the red ones 2011. SORN expired every year until the end of 2013, so it should have been reSORNed within a year at most of that intro.As an experiment, just tried taxing it online with the blue v5c ref number and it said number not recognised. But I'd like to know if that's because it's not MOT exempt yet or because I've been issued a new red v5c for it? If I need a new v5c, I could do with applying for it now so that it's ready to tax the car on 21st May.
Stuff that's been off the road since before SORN was introduced in 98 could, for all DVLA know, be long-scrapped, and that's one of the reasons that they want to try and figure out what's alive and what's not, hence issuing new V5Cs. Back at the time, they said "Call us and we'll issue one." Now, they might insist on a V62.
TooMany2cvs said:
You should have been issued with a red V5C, back in about 2011-12. Blue ones are no longer valid - they (should have!) issued a red one when you first taxed or SORNed it after the 2011 introduction of the red ones 2011. SORN expired every year until the end of 2013, so it should have been reSORNed within a year at most of that intro.
Stuff that's been off the road since before SORN was introduced in 98 could, for all DVLA know, be long-scrapped, and that's one of the reasons that they want to try and figure out what's alive and what's not, hence issuing new V5Cs. Back at the time, they said "Call us and we'll issue one." Now, they might insist on a V62.
Thanks 2cv, that's clarified a few things. Better keep searching for the red one then, or stump up £25 for a replacement. That's almost the price of the MOT I'd have been saving, lol!Stuff that's been off the road since before SORN was introduced in 98 could, for all DVLA know, be long-scrapped, and that's one of the reasons that they want to try and figure out what's alive and what's not, hence issuing new V5Cs. Back at the time, they said "Call us and we'll issue one." Now, they might insist on a V62.
Will also get the pre-sorn logbook sent off for replacement before the reg gets sold to someone wanting a nondescript 70s number. It's only been 20 years, can't rush these things!
TooMany2cvs said:
You're safe on that, they never reissue numbers.
Good to know!The red V5C has been found, in an envelope down the back of the car paperwork drawer, so that's one less headache.
And I've registered the pre-sorn car as sorned now on the DVLA website to trigger the release of the new V5C. No doubt I'll now get a bill for 22 years of unpaid car tax.
The 20th May is looming, so cars 40 yrs old will no longer need an MOT if you don't want one. If you do, well, that's your decision but even if the car fails the fact cannot be entered on the DVLA computer so you can still drive the car and are road legal. For those of you awaiting the revised form V112, which is a declaration that your car is more than 40 yrs old and that if it has been modified (become a D-type or SS100 or whatever) the modification were carried out over 30 yrs ago. If less, you carry on paying for your MOT until the thirty years are up. However, on line the form V112 still refers to pre-1960 cars, which is the current legislation. So I rang the DVLA and it seems that from next Monday they will be rolling out the new V112 which you will be able to print off yourself. I was given a warning that this might well be best since they are not sure when the Post Office branches will have stock. Hope this helps.
lowdrag said:
The 20th May is looming, so cars 40 yrs old will no longer need an MOT if you don't want one. If you do, well, that's your decision but even if the car fails the fact cannot be entered on the DVLA computer so you can still drive the car and are road legal.
Will you be road legal if you knowingly drive a car that has failed an MOT?I Know you are meant to to ensure your car is road legal before you drive it, but if it's failed an 'unnecessary' test on a set of standards that your car doesn't have to comply to, are you legal?
eccles said:
Will you be road legal if you knowingly drive a car that has failed an MOT?
The MOT fail will be irrelevant to that, though.If it's unroadworthy, it's illegal. End of. Whether it hasn't seen a tester in years or whether it was knocked back yesterday.
If it was knocked back yesterday, and you've sorted the fail points - or they weren't something that made it unroadworthy - then it's good to drive so long as it's got a current ticket if it needs one.
DVLA stuff always refers to the current situation though, as you mentioned above. In the run-up to the reintroduction of rolling (well, jumping) VED exemption, all the DVLA online stuff made no mention of it until the day it became active. Very simple to have bits of the web site change exactly on the day it comes into force.
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