New Peugeot 405. Less than £8,000

[tonyb1968]

mcholeboy_59 said:

Glasgowrob said:

Good care in the day but the 406 was far and away superior

In fact I'd take a decent 406 today in either petrol or diesel

Picked up this low mileage fully loaded HDi recently... pulls like a train, awesome ride, handling and brakes and a lovely place to sit.

The last properly decent Peugeot in my opinion and many other agree.

I wouldn't say it was the last properly decent Peugeot, the 407 was ok, boring but ok, nothing spectacular, the 207 again was ok, let down by the poor petrol engine choice (though the 90ps 16v 1.4 was more reliable than the EP3 BMW crap that replaced it), the 1.6HDi was the engine to go for in these. The 307 had issues with its odometers adding miles when it felt like it, the 607 was a barge but comfy, just not quite in the same class as the competition.

Then it changed, new CEO in 2009 and the company started to look to produce better cars, these were the RCZ concept car, 208, 308 etc, and they were better than previous models, even now with the 3008 and 5008 SUV's, they are producing these in vast numbers, the new 508 is a lovely car, the 208 and 308 are both due to be replaced in late 2019 and 2020 consecutively.
They have moved on and its a far better product now than it was then, even though the 406 was a good car its really not the last proper one, they are still making proper ones now

[velocemitch]

I moved away from Peugeot after the 405, the 406 just didn’t seem to be as good from a drivers perspective and most road testers agreed at the time.
The last really good Pugs were the 306 and 106, though I do believe they have started to get it back together again now.

[Old Merc]

mcholeboy_59 said:

Glasgowrob said:

Good care in the day but the 406 was far and away superior

In fact I'd take a decent 406 today in either petrol or diesel

Picked up this low mileage fully loaded HDi recently... pulls like a train, awesome ride, handling and brakes and a lovely place to sit.

The last properly decent Peugeot in my opinion and many other agree.

I agree, the 406 (and the 306) were the last real Peugeot`s.

[tonyb1968]

Old Merc said:

mcholeboy_59 said:

Glasgowrob said:

Good care in the day but the 406 was far and away superior

In fact I'd take a decent 406 today in either petrol or diesel

Picked up this low mileage fully loaded HDi recently... pulls like a train, awesome ride, handling and brakes and a lovely place to sit.

The last properly decent Peugeot in my opinion and many other agree.

I agree, the 406 (and the 306) were the last real Peugeot`s.

Let you into a little secret

The last Peugeot that I purchased from a dealer which are quoted as the last real Peugeot's was in 1998, a Peugeot 306 GTI-6, I nearly bought a 206 GTI 180 in 2003 but it left me feeling cold, the 306 GTi-6 was a better car.
For 15 years (yep, fifteen years) I did not go back to Peugeot because they produced crap (well upto 2010) and the only car that tempted me back was the RCZ, which in 2013 I went out an purchased, and it was a really nice car, much better than the 7 306's (3 GTi's, 1 S16, 2 TD's and an ST), after that I have purchased another 7 (i have a small fleet with a project car etc ), they are a vast improvement in both driver involvement, reliability and build quality.
Trust me, the 106/306/406 were not the last of the real Peugeot's, the 206 was (to my mind) a horrid car, but its the highest selling Peugeot ever....
The latest cars are very good, you just have to look at the reviews to see that

[Touring442]

tonyb1968 said:

I wouldn't say it was the last properly decent Peugeot, the 407 was ok, boring but ok, nothing spectacular, the 207 again was ok, let down by the poor petrol engine choice (though the 90ps 16v 1.4 was more reliable than the EP3 BMW crap that replaced it), the 1.6HDi was the engine to go for in these. The 307 had issues with its odometers adding miles when it felt like it, the 607 was a barge but comfy, just not quite in the same class as the competition.

Then it changed, new CEO in 2009 and the company started to look to produce better cars, these were the RCZ concept car, 208, 308 etc, and they were better than previous models, even now with the 3008 and 5008 SUV's, they are producing these in vast numbers, the new 508 is a lovely car, the 208 and 308 are both due to be replaced in late 2019 and 2020 consecutively.
They have moved on and its a far better product now than it was then, even though the 406 was a good car its really not the last proper one, they are still making proper ones now

I had the misfortune of a 207GT long term loaner, a turbocharged stbox with that awful BMW/MINI engine. Utter crap in all respects. It was utterly devoid of redeeming features.

[Touring442]

velocemitch said:

I’d expect Cars like the 3 series, and the 75 to be beautifuly balanced

The 75 was surprising - especially the Twin Spark - but they needed decent dampers and not the rubbish Alfa fitted. For a 1972 design it was very good, as was the Alfasud. A generation before the 405 though.

[mcholeboy_59]

tonyb1968 said:

I wouldn't say it was the last properly decent Peugeot, the 407 was ok, boring but ok, nothing spectacular, the 207 again was ok, let down by the poor petrol engine choice (though the 90ps 16v 1.4 was more reliable than the EP3 BMW crap that replaced it), the 1.6HDi was the engine to go for in these. The 307 had issues with its odometers adding miles when it felt like it, the 607 was a barge but comfy, just not quite in the same class as the competition.

Then it changed, new CEO in 2009 and the company started to look to produce better cars, these were the RCZ concept car, 208, 308 etc, and they were better than previous models, even now with the 3008 and 5008 SUV's, they are producing these in vast numbers, the new 508 is a lovely car, the 208 and 308 are both due to be replaced in late 2019 and 2020 consecutively.
They have moved on and its a far better product now than it was then, even though the 406 was a good car its really not the last proper one, they are still making proper ones now

The 407 was hideous... cr4p, gormless, overweight looks, plagued my every electrical gremlins under the sun, average diesel engines (early gen dpf) and underpowered, thirsty petrols.

I knew someone who both bought 207's from new in 2007... one was a gti and one a 1.1... both had multiple gearboxes over the course of only a couple of years, and the 1.6 hdi is heavily regarded as one of the worst diesels from that era, a real headache.

307 wasn't too bad, as it still had a little bit of pre early 00s DNA in it... early/mid 2000s was when Peugeot junped off the cliff, as for recent times, I couldn't care less... not interested

[Twig62]

mcholeboy_59 said:

The 407 was hideous... cr4p, gormless, overweight looks, plagued my every electrical gremlins under the sun, average diesel engines (early gen dpf) and underpowered, thirsty petrols.

I knew someone who both bought 207's from new in 2007... one was a gti and one a 1.1... both had multiple gearboxes over the course of only a couple of years, and the 1.6 hdi is heavily regarded as one of the worst diesels from that era, a real headache.

307 wasn't too bad, as it still had a little bit of pre early 00s DNA in it... early/mid 2000s was when Peugeot junped off the cliff, as for recent times, I couldn't care less... not interested

But interested enough to come on here and post a load of made up crap !

[Dapster]

Old Merc said:

Probably the quickest 405 ever. I bet all you PH`s have seen the video climb dance,is there anyone who can upload it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEuZG37gFdM

I love the bit where Vatenen is wrestling the car one handed (3:28) whilst shielding his eyes from the sun!

[velocemitch]

Touring442 said:

velocemitch said:

I’d expect Cars like the 3 series, and the 75 to be beautifuly balanced

The 75 was surprising - especially the Twin Spark - but they needed decent dampers and not the rubbish Alfa fitted. For a 1972 design it was very good, as was the Alfasud. A generation before the 405 though.

Alfa seem to have a problem with damping, I owned and drove loads of the 156 era cars and they all had damping issues. Sorted it with the Giulia though, they must have been looking back through the old Peugeot manuals to get that so right.

[Touring442]

Twig62 said:

But interested enough to come on here and post a load of made up crap !

Which bit?

I used a local Peugeot specialist to fix this bd of a 207 when it (regularly) went wrong. I heard the Peugeot electrics horror stories, cars that were written off as uneconomical to repair. The 407 is cheap for a reason.

[mcholeboy_59]

Twig62 said:

But interested enough to come on here and post a load of made up crap !

Excuse me xD?

I can only assume I've hit a nerve with you buttercup?

All facts, all from experience and all from having personally 13 years in the car trade and a family with 40 years in the car trade.

Ta

[fredhead]

I had a 405 Hunter estate back in 97, dark metalic green with chrome roof rails great car reliable comfortable and looked lovely,
being my first diesel I was surprised how nippy it was I'd have one again in a heartbeat if i could find one!

[Howitzer]

I had a GTXi, then a 91 Sri and modified that a lot. 406 2.0 Turbo front brakes, estate rear beam, full happy leather interior, Phoenix gold stereo, catcam and 45mm jenvey throttle bodies. I also had Bilstein dampers but standard springs and standard mi16 alloys.

I used to be able to get down a particularly undulating road quicker than in my 500e and could get it at 45degrees to the road very easily.

When driven quickly it would feel like it was on tip toes, it would move about but never let go unless you lifted off and dabbed the brakes. It was always moving around, also at 1150kg it went well for the 1.9 8v engine.

The chassis itself wasn’t too stiff but it just flowed, I’ve very fond memories of that car. I had a mk1 Golf GTi with the 16v kr head and 2.0 bottom end and across country the 405 was a league ahead of it.

H482 MDU, you are deeply missed.

Dave!

[tonyb1968]

mcholeboy_59 said:

tonyb1968 said:

I wouldn't say it was the last properly decent Peugeot, the 407 was ok, boring but ok, nothing spectacular, the 207 again was ok, let down by the poor petrol engine choice (though the 90ps 16v 1.4 was more reliable than the EP3 BMW crap that replaced it), the 1.6HDi was the engine to go for in these. The 307 had issues with its odometers adding miles when it felt like it, the 607 was a barge but comfy, just not quite in the same class as the competition.

Then it changed, new CEO in 2009 and the company started to look to produce better cars, these were the RCZ concept car, 208, 308 etc, and they were better than previous models, even now with the 3008 and 5008 SUV's, they are producing these in vast numbers, the new 508 is a lovely car, the 208 and 308 are both due to be replaced in late 2019 and 2020 consecutively.
They have moved on and its a far better product now than it was then, even though the 406 was a good car its really not the last proper one, they are still making proper ones now

The 407 was hideous... cr4p, gormless, overweight looks, plagued my every electrical gremlins under the sun, average diesel engines (early gen dpf) and underpowered, thirsty petrols.

I knew someone who both bought 207's from new in 2007... one was a gti and one a 1.1... both had multiple gearboxes over the course of only a couple of years, and the 1.6 hdi is heavily regarded as one of the worst diesels from that era, a real headache.

307 wasn't too bad, as it still had a little bit of pre early 00s DNA in it... early/mid 2000s was when Peugeot junped off the cliff, as for recent times, I couldn't care less... not interested

They never made a 1.1 207, most likely a 206 and gearboxes are not really an issue (though gear linkages have been noted but its a cheap repair), very rare they go wrong so either they are mixing their cars up (like a 1.1 207) or they are not quite being that truthful.
307 = dog, the 306 was a far better car, 307's had multiple issues to start with (note the odometer I pointed out before), total nightmare (was on watchdog) and it just wasn't a great car, more mediocre than anything (hence I stopped buying them).

The 1.6HDi had its issues, mainly leaking injectors, that was about as worse as it got unless you overshot the service intervals and then you had severe problems as these really did not like going beyond them.
Just to demonstrate how decent an engine the DV6 is, one of the guys at work is pushing 260000 miles in his, he services it every 6k miles and yes hes had the injector seals replaced, but apart from that, it runs well. (also my local peugeot specialist has nearly 300k on his dv6, daily driver!)

New models are far better built, better drivers cars overall compared to what they had in the past hence I started buying them again.

Edited by tonyb1968 on Friday 26th April 02:46

[mcholeboy_59]

tonyb1968 said:

They never made a 1.1 207, most likely a 206 and gearboxes are not really an issue (though gear linkages have been noted but its a cheap repair), very rare they go wrong so either they are mixing their cars up (like a 1.1 207) or they are not quite being that truthful.
307 = dog, the 306 was a far better car, 307's had multiple issues to start with (note the odometer I pointed out before), total nightmare (was on watchdog) and it just wasn't a great car, more mediocre than anything (hence I stopped buying them).

The 1.6HDi had its issues, mainly leaking injectors, that was about as worse as it got unless you overshot the service intervals and then you had severe problems as these really did not like going beyond them.
Just to demonstrate how decent an engine the DV6 is, one of the guys at work is pushing 260000 miles in his, he services it every 6k miles and yes hes had the injector seals replaced, but apart from that, it runs well. (also my local peugeot specialist has nearly 300k on his dv6, daily driver!)

New models are far better built, better drivers cars overall compared to what they had in the past hence I started buying them again.

Edited by tonyb1968 on Friday 26th April 02:46

It was a 207.... whatever the smallest engine was, 1.4? 'Gearboxes aren't an issue', so what, I'm lying then? 307 weren't that bad, known loads of people to have them, abuse them, run them on a shoe string etc, just usual wear and tear bits nothing too bad. And as for the 1.6 hdi, your work mate is lucky...

[Twig62]

mcholeboy_59 said:

It was a 207.... whatever the smallest engine was, 1.4? 'Gearboxes aren't an issue', so what, I'm lying then? 307 weren't that bad, known loads of people to have them, abuse them, run them on a shoe string etc, just usual wear and tear bits nothing too bad. And as for the 1.6 hdi, your work mate is lucky...

You just don't know when to stop digging and making yourself look even more of a pratt do you ? If you are going to come on here and make up stories about a Peugeot having "multiple" replacement gearboxes at least get your facts right about what engine it had fitted ! As for the 1.6 hdi engine being problematic, yes some certainly will have had problems but there are millions of them that have been maintained properly that have not suffered with any issues. Of course VAG and BMW have never produced engines that have issues have they ?

Edited by Twig62 on Saturday 27th April 18:55

[mcholeboy_59]

Twig62 said:

You just don't know when to stop digging and making yourself look even more of a pratt do you ? If you are going to come on here and make up stories about a Peugeot having "multiple" replacement gearboxes at least get your facts right about what engine it had fitted ! As for the 1.6 hdi engine being problematic, yes some certainly will have had problems but there are millions of them that have been maintained properly that have not suffered with any issues. Of course VAG and BMW have never produced engines that have issues have they ?

Edited by Twig62 on Saturday 27th April 18:55

Digging? Digging What? Everything I've said has been truth and facts. Only person who looks like a Pratt here is you mate.

Considering is was over 10 years ago I think i did pretty well with remembering what car it was let alone the engine, as i deal with many different cars and vehicles on a daily basis... i assumed it was a 1.1... I stand corrected (may I add, not by you) from another source it was a 1.4.

Of course other manufacturers have made duds, they all have, but the 1.6 hdi is avoided like the plague, and for good reason too.

I'm done here as I have better things to be doing than justifying myself to some pleb on an internet forum.

Ta

[jonwm]

What I remember of 405's back in the day when my dad was a rep and had a company car change every 2 years was the sheer number of random letter models on his list.

Other manufacturers seemed simpler like the Sierra or the cavalier at the time... L, GL, GLX etc.
405 I remember was STDT GXTD and things along those lines

[GSE]

My Old 405 GLX D-Turbo when I sold it in 2006 with nearly 200,000 miles on the clock. Galvanized body, no rust and still drove perfectly. I fitted it with a full leather interior from an Executive model and wheels from a Mi16. It was a great car, I still miss it. I really liked the combination of long travel suspension and great handling at the same time. Probably one of the most comfortable cars I've owned.