A 'period' classics pictures thread (Mk II)

[Car_Nut]

P5BNij said:

Car_Nut said:

OLDBENZ said:

White police Rover centre picture has the out of period vinyl C pillar of the yet to be born Mk2 plus 3500 S wheel trims yet has a MK 1 grille. That makes it unwatchable for me, I am afraid.

I am no expert on Rovers - but surely that is a Rover 3500, judging by the air scoop under the bumper?

It was shot in 1972, and some 1970 / 71 P6s had a mix and match appearance at the time. Of course it may well have been tarted up for the film, there are many examples of this with P6s in '60s and '70s TV shows and films.

Thanks.

Hadn't the restyle with the egg-crate grille only just come in about this time - my memory is that it was c1971 (but no doubt will be shot down in flames if I am wrong!) I certainly remember seeing 3500s with original grilles and with F registrations - so there must have been 2-3 years where 3500s were built with the earlier grilles. So if the film was shot only just after the restyle came in, would seem to me to be quite probable that they could still be fielded by the police...

What I cannot remember is seeing the vinyl C panels on the earlier cars - but that might just be my dodgy memory. But as I said I am no authority at all on Rovers....

[OLDBENZ]

P5BNij said:

Car_Nut said:

OLDBENZ said:

White police Rover centre picture has the out of period vinyl C pillar of the yet to be born Mk2 plus 3500 S wheel trims yet has a MK 1 grille. That makes it unwatchable for me, I am afraid.

I am no expert on Rovers - but surely that is a Rover 3500, judging by the air scoop under the bumper?

It was shot in 1972, and some 1970 / 71 P6s had a mix and match appearance at the time. Of course it may well have been tarted up for the film, there are many examples of this with P6s in '60s and '70s TV shows and films.

Mea culpa. I had mistakenly got it into my head that it was set in 1969. Point remains that the centre police P6 is an incorrect mix of Mk 1 & 2 and my wider point is that inconsequential detail errors like that are disproportionately irritating.

[aeropilot]

OLDBENZ said:

P5BNij said:

Car_Nut said:

OLDBENZ said:

White police Rover centre picture has the out of period vinyl C pillar of the yet to be born Mk2 plus 3500 S wheel trims yet has a MK 1 grille. That makes it unwatchable for me, I am afraid.

I am no expert on Rovers - but surely that is a Rover 3500, judging by the air scoop under the bumper?

It was shot in 1972, and some 1970 / 71 P6s had a mix and match appearance at the time. Of course it may well have been tarted up for the film, there are many examples of this with P6s in '60s and '70s TV shows and films.

Mea culpa. I had mistakenly got it into my head that it was set in 1969. Point remains that the centre police P6 is an incorrect mix of Mk 1 & 2 and my wider point is that inconsequential detail errors like that are disproportionately irritating.

I bet you're fun at parties.......

[P5BNij]

OLDBENZ said:

P5BNij said:

Car_Nut said:

OLDBENZ said:

White police Rover centre picture has the out of period vinyl C pillar of the yet to be born Mk2 plus 3500 S wheel trims yet has a MK 1 grille. That makes it unwatchable for me, I am afraid.

I am no expert on Rovers - but surely that is a Rover 3500, judging by the air scoop under the bumper?

It was shot in 1972, and some 1970 / 71 P6s had a mix and match appearance at the time. Of course it may well have been tarted up for the film, there are many examples of this with P6s in '60s and '70s TV shows and films.

Mea culpa. I had mistakenly got it into my head that it was set in 1969. Point remains that the centre police P6 is an incorrect mix of Mk 1 & 2 and my wider point is that inconsequential detail errors like that are disproportionately irritating.

And my point is that it's not necessarily an incorrect mix, there was a period when early S2 cars had a mix of S1 and S2 trim. A friend of mine owns a very early 3500S (November '71 if memory serves, bought when new by his father) with vinyl covered C-pillars, S1 badging, S1 3500 grille with the large Viking badge, S2 3500S wheel trims and and a NADA style S2 bonnet. It also has the earlier S1 leather seats.

[OLDBENZ]

Car_Nut said:

P5BNij said:

Car_Nut said:

OLDBENZ said:

White police Rover centre picture has the out of period vinyl C pillar of the yet to be born Mk2 plus 3500 S wheel trims yet has a MK 1 grille. That makes it unwatchable for me, I am afraid.

I am no expert on Rovers - but surely that is a Rover 3500, judging by the air scoop under the bumper?

It was shot in 1972, and some 1970 / 71 P6s had a mix and match appearance at the time. Of course it may well have been tarted up for the film, there are many examples of this with P6s in '60s and '70s TV shows and films.

Thanks.

Hadn't the restyle with the egg-crate grille only just come in about this time - my memory is that it was c1971 (but no doubt will be shot down in flames if I am wrong!) I certainly remember seeing 3500s with original grilles and with F registrations - so there must have been 2-3 years where 3500s were built with the earlier grilles. So if the film was shot only just after the restyle came in, would seem to me to be quite probable that they could still be fielded by the police...

What I cannot remember is seeing the vinyl C panels on the earlier cars - but that might just be my dodgy memory. But as I said I am no authority at all on Rovers....

The Rover 3500 was introduced as a Mk 1 in 1968 and like the 2000 Mk 1 continued with body painted C pillar and sills and a bright metal grille. The Mk 2 came out in 1970 (on a 'J' plate) and a distinguishing feature of all Mk 2 models was a vinyl C pillar with a small badge, black painted sills, black plastic egg-crate front grille, waist metal rubbing strips plus the new circular dial display (unless you could only afford the SC which continued with the strip speedo). The 3500 S was the only model with the Rostyle wheel trims and that only came out as a Mk 2. After the Mk 2 came out there was some diy upgrading of Mk 1s to look like Mk 2s but I doubt Plod was motivated to spend his leisure hours making the company vehicle appear newer. The car in the field is probably a Mk 2 3500 sporting a Mk 1 grille but actually could be anything other than in its correct original spec.

[OLDBENZ]

aeropilot said:

I bet you're fun at parties.......

It is a well established scientific fact that one's 'fun quotient' at parties and the interest one generates in the fairer sex is in direct inverse proportion to one's posting numbers.

[aeropilot]

P5BNij said:

OLDBENZ said:

P5BNij said:

Car_Nut said:

OLDBENZ said:

White police Rover centre picture has the out of period vinyl C pillar of the yet to be born Mk2 plus 3500 S wheel trims yet has a MK 1 grille. That makes it unwatchable for me, I am afraid.

I am no expert on Rovers - but surely that is a Rover 3500, judging by the air scoop under the bumper?

It was shot in 1972, and some 1970 / 71 P6s had a mix and match appearance at the time. Of course it may well have been tarted up for the film, there are many examples of this with P6s in '60s and '70s TV shows and films.

Mea culpa. I had mistakenly got it into my head that it was set in 1969. Point remains that the centre police P6 is an incorrect mix of Mk 1 & 2 and my wider point is that inconsequential detail errors like that are disproportionately irritating.

And my point is that it's not necessarily an incorrect mix, there was a period when early S2 cars had a mix of S1 and S2 trim. A friend of mine owns a very early 3500S (November '71 if memory serves, bought when new by his father) with vinyl covered C-pillars, S1 badging, S1 3500 grille with the large Viking badge, S2 3500S wheel trims and and a NADA style S2 bonnet. It also has the earlier S1 leather seats.

[Touring442]

OLDBENZ said:

It is a well established scientific fact that one's 'fun quotient' at parties and the interest one generates in the fairer sex is in direct inverse proportion to one's posting numbers.

BOOM!

[Car_Nut]

Lets move on with one my slides entitled "End of Lap 1 of World Endurance Championship Race Brands Hatch 23 July 1989"


I see that the leading Sauber Mercedes is already breaking away..

[Car_Nut]

Think that we have left to right, beyond McLaren bend: unidentified white car, Montego, Sierra, Metro, Fiat 127 van, 2CV Dolly, & an E28.

[generationx]

Woo I was there! Those late Group C cars sounded epic.

[Turbobanana]

generationx said:

Woo I was there! Those late Group C cars sounded epic.

I wasn't there but I went to Le Mans that year and agree: fantastic cars.

Terrible photo, but I have this hanging on my wall:



Limited edition print, signed by the artist (Michael Turner), number 2 of 850.

[Car_Nut]

Turbobanana said:

generationx said:

Woo I was there! Those late Group C cars sounded epic.

I wasn't there but I went to Le Mans that year and agree: fantastic cars.

Terrible photo, but I have this hanging on my wall:



Limited edition print, signed by the artist (Michael Turner), number 2 of 850.

I was a great fan of Group C you will find more of my Group C photos, some pages back, Naturally, like most Brits, I cheered Jaguar along, but I admired all of the C1 & C2 cars, and the excellent manufacturer competition (Porsche, Jaguar, Mercedes, Aston Martin, Nissan, Toyota, Mazda, Lancia-Ferrari, and even Ford for a bit) - destroying endurance racing is another thing that we can blame that imbecile Balestre, and his puppet-master Ecclestone for.

I see in my photo that the super-booster Nissan is already dropping back from its habitual false qualifying position.

[M3DGE]

john2443 said:

Dapster said:

Was a common sight around the paddocks of the UK for a while as it was owned by truck and bike racer Steve Parrish

I didn't think that was ever issued - DVLA says number not found so if it was issued has it somehow been withdrawn deleted?

To confirm, this was issued in March 1962 by Bury. If it is not showing as on a car now it may have been withdrawn.

[Turbobanana]

Car_Nut said:

I see in my photo that the super-booster Nissan is already dropping back from its habitual false qualifying position.

Yeah, I always remember:

- The Mercedes / Sauber, for its bellowing (production-based) 5-litre V8 with turbos glowing
- The Mazda 787 for making my ears bleed
- The Porsche 956 / 962 for its guttural, dull sound but astonishing reliability and good looks
- The Jaguars for the noise and presence
- The Lancia C2 for its wailing V8
- The later Peugeot 905s for F1-sounds and UFO looks

...yet the Nissan I don't remember for anything other than that lap, which was a fluke as the boost control got stuck.

[Dapster]

Turbobanana said:

...yet the Nissan I don't remember for anything other than that lap, which was a fluke as the boost control got stuck.

Let's have another butchers at it shall we? What sensational car control!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lMItc4cy8U

"Every input was pure reflex -- things were coming at me everywhere I looked. For about 50 percent of the lap I felt like I was on the verge of a massive accident."

[generationx]

The Aston Martins were absolutely thunderous too.

[Car_Nut]

generationx said:

The Aston Martins were absolutely thunderous too.

They certainly were! Although I always loved the Jags and their melodious sound - I always felt that for an n/a V12 they were surprisingly muted - their howl was not that of a classic Ferrari V12.

The Peugeots were not Group C cars they were the first of 3.5 litre cars, that killed it, in my opinion, as a result of an axis between Peugeot, Balestre & Ecclestone. Peugeot knew they were not good enough to face up to the competition in Group C, Balestre wanted to engineer a French Le Mans winner, while Group C was too popular for Ecclestone's liking as a rival to F1, and thus wanted to nobble it as he had the World Touring Car Championship.

So endurance racing has never been what it once was since, and F1 has sunk to a sterile money making franchise for a few fixed teams practically closed off to new entrants.

Edited by Car_Nut on Monday 2nd November 17:08

[MCSV8]

Yes the Astons were very loud. I was at Brands in '89 when they got their best result - 4th overall. Le Mans '89 was my first and the first one missed was this year




...although we did watch it in a tent in the garden.

[Keep it stiff]

I'm not sure why a couple of incomplete Austin 3 litres would be on a stillage outside. MGB's in the background also look incomplete.