A 'period' classics pictures thread (Mk II)
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P5BNij said:
RichB said:
P5BNij said:
Turbobanana said:
droopsnoot said:
It's 22nd November 1968
I was 55 days old 
Is that a locomotive?
Escort3500 said:
bigothunter said:
International Rallying from almost 50 years ago. So much more exciting than top class rallying today (or perhaps I'm just an old fart 
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Thoroughly agree, but then I am an ol’ fart ) Much prefer RWD sideways action to the 4WD stuff today, even if it is much faster. I'm 52.
ETA: Roger Clarke in low-back seats without even a head restraint - makes today's seats look like prison cells, and they have HANS devices too!
Edited by Turbobanana on Friday 29th January 11:15
Turbobanana said:
Escort3500 said:
bigothunter said:
International Rallying from almost 50 years ago. So much more exciting than top class rallying today (or perhaps I'm just an old fart )
Thoroughly agree, but then I am an ol’ fart ) Much prefer RWD sideways action to the 4WD stuff today, even if it is much faster. Rallying traditionally was never solely about speed, it was speed and endurance, it was a marathon, not a sprint.
WRC today and ever since 1987 with its sanitised 'office hours' events pretty much to the exclusion of non-pro entrants is not what rallying was or should be, and people wonder why its dying.
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Thanks.
Quite a number of celebs / high worth types cars had 'GF' markers in the '60s, some of which passed though the hands of Brian Epstein's company Brydor, Beatles George and John both had Radford Cooper Ss in this range, LGF 695D and LGF 696D respectively. The former still belongs to George's family but John's car disappeared in '68 with all sorts of rumours about its whereabouts since then. PH : utter trivia matters
Interestingly, ### AGF were allocated for Home Delivery Exports, hence the slow rate of issue between 1960 and 1962. No idea why 54 AGF survived on a UK car, unless the owner changed their mind & paid the tax to keep it in the UK.
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. Quite a number of celebs / high worth types cars had 'GF' markers in the '60s, some of which passed though the hands of Brian Epstein's company Brydor, Beatles George and John both had Radford Cooper Ss in this range, LGF 695D and LGF 696D respectively. The former still belongs to George's family but John's car disappeared in '68 with all sorts of rumours about its whereabouts since then. PH : utter trivia matters
Interestingly, ### AGF were allocated for Home Delivery Exports, hence the slow rate of issue between 1960 and 1962. No idea why 54 AGF survived on a UK car, unless the owner changed their mind & paid the tax to keep it in the UK.
Escort3500 said:
Thoroughly agree, but then I am an ol’ fart Much prefer RWD sideways action to the 4WD stuff today, even if it is much faster.
I watched that event in one of the forest stages in North Yorkshire (Dalby, probably) and seeing Waldegard's Stratos come through without its rear bodywork was a real highlight! We were standing at the end of a long straight and watching a Stratos slither this way and that as the driver slowed for the bend while changing down through the box and then blasting away into the forest was what rallying was all about. The memory stays with me! Much prefer RWD sideways action to the 4WD stuff today, even if it is much faster. In their way, just as impressive were the Saab 96s - totally different but in the forest stages, as quick as anything.
aeropilot said:
Not for me.....I've always felt that it was Group B killed off rallying as a sport, 'Formula 1 tech' in a forest was never going to end well.
Rallying traditionally was never solely about speed, it was speed and endurance, it was a marathon, not a sprint.
WRC today and ever since 1987 with its sanitised 'office hours' events pretty much to the exclusion of non-pro entrants is not what rallying was or should be, and people wonder why its dying.
A very fair point, aero, but I was selfishly looking at it from the aspect of spectator enjoyment rather than development of the sport.Rallying traditionally was never solely about speed, it was speed and endurance, it was a marathon, not a sprint.
WRC today and ever since 1987 with its sanitised 'office hours' events pretty much to the exclusion of non-pro entrants is not what rallying was or should be, and people wonder why its dying.
Does make you wonder what would have happened had Audi not launched the quattro into rallying though, doesn't it? I mean, Toyota, Lancia and others were already building more or less bespoke rally cars, latterly turbocharged with large power. Somebody would have come up with 4WD sooner or later and the evolution of rallying would have continued, assuming the governing body didn't ban it (like they did in F1).
I guess there's also an element of "when I was there" about it: for me, I was present in the forests (sometimes the Micky Mouse stages too) from about 1979 - 2000, beyond which I began to get disenchanted with the cost of spectating and size of the crowd, as well as the less interesting cars, although I admit that's just my view.
I don't think we need to go back to RWD or anything like that, but a return to cars that the average Joe / Josephine can identify and buy would do no harm. And bring back the endurance element, night stages and all!
Turbobanana said:
aeropilot said:
Not for me.....I've always felt that it was Group B killed off rallying as a sport, 'Formula 1 tech' in a forest was never going to end well.
Rallying traditionally was never solely about speed, it was speed and endurance, it was a marathon, not a sprint.
WRC today and ever since 1987 with its sanitised 'office hours' events pretty much to the exclusion of non-pro entrants is not what rallying was or should be, and people wonder why its dying.
A very fair point, aero, but I was selfishly looking at it from the aspect of spectator enjoyment rather than development of the sport.Rallying traditionally was never solely about speed, it was speed and endurance, it was a marathon, not a sprint.
WRC today and ever since 1987 with its sanitised 'office hours' events pretty much to the exclusion of non-pro entrants is not what rallying was or should be, and people wonder why its dying.
I've never looked at it from a spectator point of view because I never really ever did that......only ever spectated twice (once on the RAC in 1984, and once on the Monte in 1995) in all the years I was involved in rallying as a nav or service crew (and as a driver on club level road rallies back in the day when they were allowed)
To be honest ,to us service crew, spectators were an utter PITA on all the RAC's I did between 85 and 92.
Following on from the rallying posts above, this includes one of my favourite rallying things - about 20 mins in, Escort diff broke, they don't have a spare, so flag down a spectator in a 3 litre Capri and take the diff off it.
Service manager said "Take it to the dealer down the road, get them to fit a new axle and send the bill to me"
Scottish rally https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02RaQAvzMps
Service manager said "Take it to the dealer down the road, get them to fit a new axle and send the bill to me"
Scottish rally https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02RaQAvzMps
john2443 said:
Following on from the rallying posts above, this includes one of my favourite rallying things - about 20 mins in, Escort diff broke, they don't have a spare, so flag down a spectator in a 3 litre Capri and take the diff off it.
Service manager said "Take it to the dealer down the road, get them to fit a new axle and send the bill to me"
How did he manage that? Service manager said "Take it to the dealer down the road, get them to fit a new axle and send the bill to me"
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