Electrifying Classic Cars
Discussion
NDNDNDND said:
singlecoil said:
Perhaps it's the same as, for instance, tattoos. Some people love them while I find it baffling that people would do that to their bodies.
No, it's more like what Jake and Dinos Chapman did to the Goya etchings. No going back and most people will be wondering why the hell you did it in the first.
T-195 said:
NDNDNDND said:
singlecoil said:
Perhaps it's the same as, for instance, tattoos. Some people love them while I find it baffling that people would do that to their bodies.
No, it's more like what Jake and Dinos Chapman did to the Goya etchings. No going back and most people will be wondering why the hell you did it in the first.
ash73 said:
warp9 said:
Shakermaker said:
But for a Ferrari... I wouldn't do that.
Brace yourself! https://www.heritagecarinsurance.co.uk/newsroom/ne...T-195 said:
Deciding to put an Electric motor in a classic is a bit like deciding to have a sex change.
No going back and most people will be wondering why the hell you did it in the first.
I do think that some classics would benefit, but I'm not convinced by this particular oneNo going back and most people will be wondering why the hell you did it in the first.
Enzo Ferrari appreciated beautiful cars, but, his real passion was for the engines
For me, a Ferrari without a Ferrari engine is no longer is a Ferrari - we have a milk-float
Enzo really would be turning in his grave ....
MikeyC said:
Enzo really would be turning in his grave ....
well as he used to destroy his race cars at the end of the season as you should only be looking forward the 308 should have been scrapped a long time ago purists better get used to this, its going to be happening a lot more in the future
i quite fancy an EV converted silver shadow, monstrous running costs, huge unreliability and 8mpg gone to leave an ultra quite engine with gob tonnes of torque in a beautiful body
Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Thursday 15th August 10:04
MikeyC said:
T-195 said:
Deciding to put an Electric motor in a classic is a bit like deciding to have a sex change.
No going back and most people will be wondering why the hell you did it in the first.
I do think that some classics would benefit, but I'm not convinced by this particular oneNo going back and most people will be wondering why the hell you did it in the first.
Enzo Ferrari appreciated beautiful cars, but, his real passion was for the engines
For me, a Ferrari without a Ferrari engine is no longer is a Ferrari - we have a milk-float
Enzo really would be turning in his grave ....
My confusion with the conversion of Classic Cars to EV's is what is their motivation?
- Are people after an 'interesting' way to bypass the congestion charges, then converting a Classic is a blooming expensive way of saving a few quid.
- If they are converting a Classic for their own personal environmental reasons, a modern factory made EV is much more efficient and has much better environmental credentials,
- If it's for performance gains, again a modern factory made EV will perform much better, much safer and much more reliably.
- if its out of social guilt because their other cars is a supercharged V8 Range Rover then give your head a shake.
- Or is it just for school gate one-upmanship, being able to signal to all associates about just how 'green' you are.
Personally, my love for old cars is based upon the nostalgia and that period feel you get when driving a 40 year old car. The noise, the smell, the old fashioned handling and performance which is so different to modern cars. As soon as you start to sanitise those qualities, my interests is gone.
- Are people after an 'interesting' way to bypass the congestion charges, then converting a Classic is a blooming expensive way of saving a few quid.
- If they are converting a Classic for their own personal environmental reasons, a modern factory made EV is much more efficient and has much better environmental credentials,
- If it's for performance gains, again a modern factory made EV will perform much better, much safer and much more reliably.
- if its out of social guilt because their other cars is a supercharged V8 Range Rover then give your head a shake.
- Or is it just for school gate one-upmanship, being able to signal to all associates about just how 'green' you are.
Personally, my love for old cars is based upon the nostalgia and that period feel you get when driving a 40 year old car. The noise, the smell, the old fashioned handling and performance which is so different to modern cars. As soon as you start to sanitise those qualities, my interests is gone.
If you love your classic and have owned it, cared for it etc. for some time and more importantly drive it as much as you can.
You will like me keep an eye on this EV convertion for the future.
I'm pessimistic and can see a time before I die that my car could be legislated off the road so unless I want to watch it degenerate in it's garage I would probably go down this route to keep using it.
You can go on about a car not being THE car because the engine is now electric as much as you want but if you can't legally drive it, it's just a mettalic sculpture and the engine is meaningless.
I'm a step closer because I've already ditched the original engine for something more reliable (and better in my opinion).
Bring on graphene battery tech and other advances!
You will like me keep an eye on this EV convertion for the future.
I'm pessimistic and can see a time before I die that my car could be legislated off the road so unless I want to watch it degenerate in it's garage I would probably go down this route to keep using it.
You can go on about a car not being THE car because the engine is now electric as much as you want but if you can't legally drive it, it's just a mettalic sculpture and the engine is meaningless.
I'm a step closer because I've already ditched the original engine for something more reliable (and better in my opinion).
Bring on graphene battery tech and other advances!
T-195 said:
Deciding to put an Electric motor in a classic is a bit like deciding to have a sex change.
No going back and most people will be wondering why the hell you did it in the first.
Not a great analogy as it turns out- and a bit of an unnecessary dig at transgender people to boot. No going back and most people will be wondering why the hell you did it in the first.
HustleRussell said:
T-195 said:
Deciding to put an Electric motor in a classic is a bit like deciding to have a sex change.
No going back and most people will be wondering why the hell you did it in the first.
Not a great analogy as it turns out- and a bit of an unnecessary dig at transgender people to boot. No going back and most people will be wondering why the hell you did it in the first.
I think it might be fun, but it would have to be the right classic, perhaps one which is dead or dying with no realistic ICE solution to keep it on the road. The first car my dad had was a commer cob van, nothing really desirable about them for 99.99% of the population, but I want one for nostalgic reasons, and an electric powered one would be awesome in my view.
Cue lots of people googling to see what the hell a commer cob was!
Cue lots of people googling to see what the hell a commer cob was!
singlecoil said:
HustleRussell said:
T-195 said:
Deciding to put an Electric motor in a classic is a bit like deciding to have a sex change.
No going back and most people will be wondering why the hell you did it in the first.
Not a great analogy as it turns out- and a bit of an unnecessary dig at transgender people to boot. No going back and most people will be wondering why the hell you did it in the first.
HustleRussell said:
singlecoil said:
HustleRussell said:
T-195 said:
Deciding to put an Electric motor in a classic is a bit like deciding to have a sex change.
No going back and most people will be wondering why the hell you did it in the first.
Not a great analogy as it turns out- and a bit of an unnecessary dig at transgender people to boot. No going back and most people will be wondering why the hell you did it in the first.
I love how you are more offended at my post than Dave Hedgehog's one about "Comrade Corbyn' s Alt Left Nutjobs".
Edited by T-195 on Thursday 15th August 17:16
MikeyC said:
I do think that some classics would benefit, but I'm not convinced by this particular one
Enzo Ferrari appreciated beautiful cars, but, his real passion was for the engines
For me, a Ferrari without a Ferrari engine is no longer is a Ferrari - we have a milk-float
Enzo really would be turning in his grave ....
There's room for everyone's ideas.Enzo Ferrari appreciated beautiful cars, but, his real passion was for the engines
For me, a Ferrari without a Ferrari engine is no longer is a Ferrari - we have a milk-float
Enzo really would be turning in his grave ....
Would Enzo equally turn in his grave at people preserving 308s in low miles concourse mint condition in dehumidified bubbles forever more?
He might appreciate those who go out and drive the hell out of them, but what about when parts wear out.. what's an acceptable level of modification before it starts to cause posthumous subterranean rotation? Modern brake pads? Modern tyres? A K&N panel filter or two? The wrong oil? An engine rebuild with some stronger internals? Half a Tesla's guts?
I suggest there are extremes of preservation vs modification and we'd all like to find some middle ground, but I think there's room for all of the above. I hope some get preserved, some get driven and some get modernised in wonderfully new and exciting ways.
TartanPaint said:
MikeyC said:
I do think that some classics would benefit, but I'm not convinced by this particular one
Enzo Ferrari appreciated beautiful cars, but, his real passion was for the engines
For me, a Ferrari without a Ferrari engine is no longer is a Ferrari - we have a milk-float
Enzo really would be turning in his grave ....
There's room for everyone's ideas.Enzo Ferrari appreciated beautiful cars, but, his real passion was for the engines
For me, a Ferrari without a Ferrari engine is no longer is a Ferrari - we have a milk-float
Enzo really would be turning in his grave ....
Would Enzo equally turn in his grave at people preserving 308s in low miles concourse mint condition in dehumidified bubbles forever more?
He might appreciate those who go out and drive the hell out of them, but what about when parts wear out.. what's an acceptable level of modification before it starts to cause posthumous subterranean rotation? Modern brake pads? Modern tyres? A K&N panel filter or two? The wrong oil? An engine rebuild with some stronger internals? Half a Tesla's guts?
I suggest there are extremes of preservation vs modification and we'd all like to find some middle ground, but I think there's room for all of the above. I hope some get preserved, some get driven and some get modernised in wonderfully new and exciting ways.
I'm all for modifications that improve usability eg: disk brakes, electronic ignition etc ... but, ripping the heart out, for me is a step too far.
Classic cars will always survive without this type of 'open heart surgery' being applied to them
Will be interesting to see how the markets react as originality is highly sought-after
How many Stanley vehicles (steam cars) have had a petrol engine replace the steam engine in them ?
Would sure make tham far more usable/practical !
I'm sure some have been modified, but I have yet to see a converted vehicle come to the marketplace.
I don't have an issue with new type 'classics' eg the Westfield Porsche 356 Speedster - this seems like an excellent idea (well apart from the price thatis !)
Allowing the cars to be converted back seems like a sensible option to me ....
MikeyC said:
Classic cars will always survive without this type of 'open heart surgery' being applied to them
that i would seriously doubt on a long enough time line, it seams probable to me that at some point that ICE engines will be banned from the road over a long enough time linethe EV may not be the final death nail for ICE cars but the next technology may well be
There's a Wolseley 1500 sitting in my Mum's barn. It's bodily in nice condition, in a two tone cream and burgundy colour scheme.
However, its brakes are terrible (drums all round), and it's gutless, noisy and smelly to run. Its no fun to drive at all. I'm day dreaming about fitting disc brakes and converting the drivetrain to electric, maybe using a Nissan Leaf motor and 24kwh batteries. It would be an absolute hoot to drive, and would look absolutely fantastic. If I could afford to do it, I would, it would be lots of fun and a very satisfying project, and get the old thing back out on the road again.
Why not? Why would anyone else care? Why would I care if anyone else cared?
No, I wouldn't do it to a Ferrari. But a car like that is a brilliant candidate for conversion.
However, its brakes are terrible (drums all round), and it's gutless, noisy and smelly to run. Its no fun to drive at all. I'm day dreaming about fitting disc brakes and converting the drivetrain to electric, maybe using a Nissan Leaf motor and 24kwh batteries. It would be an absolute hoot to drive, and would look absolutely fantastic. If I could afford to do it, I would, it would be lots of fun and a very satisfying project, and get the old thing back out on the road again.
Why not? Why would anyone else care? Why would I care if anyone else cared?
No, I wouldn't do it to a Ferrari. But a car like that is a brilliant candidate for conversion.
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