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mac51222 said:
Its a fake it first appeared on face book by a guy claiming to have been working on a house saw the car took some pics and was going to return to find its identity Its a total and utter fake i contacted the picture taker ..Its a fake 100%
How sure are you that your 'picture taker' is the real deal?borrani72 said:
Does anybody know how to extract metadata regarding when the original picture was taken, or would such details have been deleted when it went onto Twitter/Pistonheads/Imgur etc?
I tried a reverse image search through Google, but can't find any dates or other details under Available Properties on any of the forums where the image appears.
Unfortunately, most image uploaders remove the crucial EXIF information, which usually contains the focal length, shutter speed, exposure time, resolution etc.I tried a reverse image search through Google, but can't find any dates or other details under Available Properties on any of the forums where the image appears.
Additionally, if the image has been post processed in Photoshop or similar - the EXIF info is often removed.
Any image program should be able to render the EXIF info if present (I use Irfanview which is free).
Below is a summarised version of typical EXIF info as embedded into the image by most (if not all) digital cameras.
If permitted - many mobile devices will embed the geographical location too.
EXIF info said:
ImageDescription - OLYMPUS DIGITAL CAMERA
Make - OLYMPUS IMAGING CORP.
Model - E-500
Orientation - Top left
XResolution - 314
YResolution - 314
ResolutionUnit - Inch
Software - Version 1.3
DateTime - 2012:06:09 10:15:31
YCbCrPositioning - Co-Sited
ExifOffset - 290
ExposureTime - 1/640 seconds
FNumber - 0.00
ExposureProgram - Creative program
ISOSpeedRatings - 100
ExifVersion - 0221
DateTimeOriginal - 2012:06:09 10:15:31
DateTimeDigitized - 2012:06:09 10:15:31
ComponentsConfiguration - YCbCr
ExposureBiasValue - 0.00
MaxApertureValue - F 1.00
MeteringMode - Multi-segment
LightSource - Fine weather
Flash - Flash not fired, auto mode
Make - OLYMPUS IMAGING CORP.
Model - E-500
Orientation - Top left
XResolution - 314
YResolution - 314
ResolutionUnit - Inch
Software - Version 1.3
DateTime - 2012:06:09 10:15:31
YCbCrPositioning - Co-Sited
ExifOffset - 290
ExposureTime - 1/640 seconds
FNumber - 0.00
ExposureProgram - Creative program
ISOSpeedRatings - 100
ExifVersion - 0221
DateTimeOriginal - 2012:06:09 10:15:31
DateTimeDigitized - 2012:06:09 10:15:31
ComponentsConfiguration - YCbCr
ExposureBiasValue - 0.00
MaxApertureValue - F 1.00
MeteringMode - Multi-segment
LightSource - Fine weather
Flash - Flash not fired, auto mode
TonyRPH said:
borrani72 said:
Does anybody know how to extract metadata regarding when the original picture was taken, or would such details have been deleted when it went onto Twitter/Pistonheads/Imgur etc?
I tried a reverse image search through Google, but can't find any dates or other details under Available Properties on any of the forums where the image appears.
Unfortunately, most image uploaders remove the crucial EXIF information, which usually contains the focal length, shutter speed, exposure time, resolution etc.I tried a reverse image search through Google, but can't find any dates or other details under Available Properties on any of the forums where the image appears.
According to this site....
https://davedye.com/2020/03/31/podcast-alan-brooki...
the car was designed by ad-man Alan Brooking specifically for this ad campaign.
Here's another from the series, found on Ebay, and dated 1965.
Having information from another source, however, I am assured the car was designed in 1954, and specifically for competition use.
Unfortunately, I am sworn to secrecy out of respect to the car's original designer, and only have part of the story myself, which doesn't include any mention of the ad campaign. Here's the car prior to completion............
https://davedye.com/2020/03/31/podcast-alan-brooki...
the car was designed by ad-man Alan Brooking specifically for this ad campaign.
Here's another from the series, found on Ebay, and dated 1965.
Having information from another source, however, I am assured the car was designed in 1954, and specifically for competition use.
Unfortunately, I am sworn to secrecy out of respect to the car's original designer, and only have part of the story myself, which doesn't include any mention of the ad campaign. Here's the car prior to completion............
mac51222 said:
Its a fake it first appeared on face book by a guy claiming to have been working on a house saw the car took some pics and was going to return to find its identity Its a total and utter fake i contacted the picture taker ..Its a fake 100%
Perhaps you'd now care to reconsider this statement? 
Unfortunately, I am sworn to secrecy out of respect to the car's original designer, and only have part of the story myself, which doesn't include any mention of the ad campaign. Here's the car prior to completion............
I’m a bit bemused as to why there would need to be secrecy on a car designed almost 70 years ago, but ok let’s respect that.
Can you say what it was actually based on? After all your work it would be nice to know if any of the guesses were right!
I’m a bit bemused as to why there would need to be secrecy on a car designed almost 70 years ago, but ok let’s respect that.
Can you say what it was actually based on? After all your work it would be nice to know if any of the guesses were right!
Jackarmy100 said:
I’m a bit bemused as to why there would need to be secrecy on a car designed almost 70 years ago, but ok let’s respect that.
Can you say what it was actually based on? After all your work it would be nice to know if any of the guesses were right!
I am told the car isn't a Lotus, nor is it based upon anything else. It used a Climax engine, but had an entirely bespoke chassis and aluminium body. The "KUR 3C" number was issued some years after the car's completion, prior to which it had run on trade plates.Can you say what it was actually based on? After all your work it would be nice to know if any of the guesses were right!
Sadly, the car was never raced.
Listening tonight to the interview on the website (link in my previous post) with Mr Brooking, he states quite openly that he designed a racing car (at 35:18), so I can only assume that the secrecy relates to one of the other 'industry experts' I am told were involved in the design/engineering/manufacture. I have not been given any of their names.
I do know, however, that the subsequent number, KUR 4C, was registered to Lotus Cars. Unfortunately, the documents I have seen do not state the make/model or other vehicle details.
As to the reasons behind all the secrecy, I can only speculate that at some point, for some reason, the person(s) involved agreed never to tell the story. My best guess is that there was some form of commercial non-disclosure agreement made at the time, so whilst those involved are still alive, the secrecy will remain.
KUR 3C never got a name.
Though their (open) first car (1172) was raced successfully as ‘Waddup Special’.
The ‘midget’ in the roll-out shot was the owner/driver—farmer Graham Waddup. Trained at Ford’s own college at Boreham, Essex, He designed the space frame, and the geometry of the purely mechanical front suspension, which was then built by expert toolmaker Leslie Davies.
Under construction the car was set up on raised ex-snooker table slate for accuracy.
It stood 100cm high at the kerb, with 10cm ground clearance. 9 square feet frontal area. Apparently Graham chose to sit fairly upright so a ‘blister’ was formed below his seat.
Window glass was glued flush with the body surface.
Graham said he took it to an open day at Brands and matched the 750 (Int.) lap record—if so, certainly the only time it ever saw racing tarmac.
Sadly, Esso finally changed their plans so they lost their backing, which led to the car’s steady decay as the farm’s favourite chicken-coop.[url]
|https://thumbsnap.com/owp8atHW[/url]
Though their (open) first car (1172) was raced successfully as ‘Waddup Special’.
The ‘midget’ in the roll-out shot was the owner/driver—farmer Graham Waddup. Trained at Ford’s own college at Boreham, Essex, He designed the space frame, and the geometry of the purely mechanical front suspension, which was then built by expert toolmaker Leslie Davies.
Under construction the car was set up on raised ex-snooker table slate for accuracy.
It stood 100cm high at the kerb, with 10cm ground clearance. 9 square feet frontal area. Apparently Graham chose to sit fairly upright so a ‘blister’ was formed below his seat.
Window glass was glued flush with the body surface.
Graham said he took it to an open day at Brands and matched the 750 (Int.) lap record—if so, certainly the only time it ever saw racing tarmac.
Sadly, Esso finally changed their plans so they lost their backing, which led to the car’s steady decay as the farm’s favourite chicken-coop.[url]
|https://thumbsnap.com/owp8atHW[/url]KUR 3C said:
KUR 3C never got a name.
Though their (open) first car (1172) was raced successfully as ‘Waddup Special’.
The ‘midget’ in the roll-out shot was the owner/driver—farmer Graham Waddup. Trained at Ford’s own college at Boreham, Essex, He designed the space frame, and the geometry of the purely mechanical front suspension, which was then built by expert toolmaker Leslie Davies.
Under construction the car was set up on raised ex-snooker table slate for accuracy.
It stood 100cm high at the kerb, with 10cm ground clearance. 9 square feet frontal area. Apparently Graham chose to sit fairly upright so a ‘blister’ was formed below his seat.
Window glass was glued flush with the body surface.
Graham said he took it to an open day at Brands and matched the 750 (Int.) lap record—if so, certainly the only time it ever saw racing tarmac.
Sadly, Esso finally changed their plans so they lost their backing, which led to the car’s steady decay as the farm’s favourite chicken-coop.[url]
|https://thumbsnap.com/owp8atHW[/url]
The wheels look rather like VW fitting, and the front suspension appears to be similar to VW king pin/link pin setup used up to the late 1960s.Though their (open) first car (1172) was raced successfully as ‘Waddup Special’.
The ‘midget’ in the roll-out shot was the owner/driver—farmer Graham Waddup. Trained at Ford’s own college at Boreham, Essex, He designed the space frame, and the geometry of the purely mechanical front suspension, which was then built by expert toolmaker Leslie Davies.
Under construction the car was set up on raised ex-snooker table slate for accuracy.
It stood 100cm high at the kerb, with 10cm ground clearance. 9 square feet frontal area. Apparently Graham chose to sit fairly upright so a ‘blister’ was formed below his seat.
Window glass was glued flush with the body surface.
Graham said he took it to an open day at Brands and matched the 750 (Int.) lap record—if so, certainly the only time it ever saw racing tarmac.
Sadly, Esso finally changed their plans so they lost their backing, which led to the car’s steady decay as the farm’s favourite chicken-coop.[url]
|https://thumbsnap.com/owp8atHW[/url]Probably just my imagination, I think the engine might get in the way.
The Waddup Special was based upon a Buckler chassis.
This chassis, pictured here before getting its' unique body....
And here, a little later.....
This lovely colour shot was Kodak date stamped October 1956, No. 18 being the Buckler-based Waddup Special.
KUR 3C is not Buckler-based. Analysis of the proportions confirms that the seating position and steering column are in distinctly different positions.
Here, KUR under construction. A combination of Dexion and what must be the snooker-table slate provide an effective measuring bridge.
The Waddup Special was essentially a Buckler fitted with a Ford 1172 engine. KUR 3C was quite different.
It was originally intended to fit a special Coventry-Climax 750 engine, specifically to run in the small-displacement class at Le Mans.
From what I can piece together, the Climax unit would have been the 1957 744cc 'FWC' (and presumably not the later 1958 745cc 'FWMA' or 1961 'FWMC'). In the end, it appears that only one of these 'FWC' engines was ever built, and this was used by Lotus who won the Index of Performance and the 750cc class at Le Mans with it.
Coventry-Climax had intended to build three of the 'FWC', so perhaps when Esso withdrew from the project, they were cancelled? From what I have been told, there were plans for further cars to the same pattern as KUR, so perhaps two 750 Climax cars were envisaged at some point.
Would I be correct in assuming that the body contour drawings were by Alan Brooking?
I would love to see the side and plan-views as well.
This chassis, pictured here before getting its' unique body....
And here, a little later.....
This lovely colour shot was Kodak date stamped October 1956, No. 18 being the Buckler-based Waddup Special.
KUR 3C is not Buckler-based. Analysis of the proportions confirms that the seating position and steering column are in distinctly different positions.
Here, KUR under construction. A combination of Dexion and what must be the snooker-table slate provide an effective measuring bridge.
The Waddup Special was essentially a Buckler fitted with a Ford 1172 engine. KUR 3C was quite different.
It was originally intended to fit a special Coventry-Climax 750 engine, specifically to run in the small-displacement class at Le Mans.
From what I can piece together, the Climax unit would have been the 1957 744cc 'FWC' (and presumably not the later 1958 745cc 'FWMA' or 1961 'FWMC'). In the end, it appears that only one of these 'FWC' engines was ever built, and this was used by Lotus who won the Index of Performance and the 750cc class at Le Mans with it.
Coventry-Climax had intended to build three of the 'FWC', so perhaps when Esso withdrew from the project, they were cancelled? From what I have been told, there were plans for further cars to the same pattern as KUR, so perhaps two 750 Climax cars were envisaged at some point.
Would I be correct in assuming that the body contour drawings were by Alan Brooking?
I would love to see the side and plan-views as well.
Edited by borrani72 on Friday 8th October 10:42
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