Ultra rare mk 1 Escort at upcoming auction

[Hol]

aeropilot said:

Hol said:

Mark,
I see you have one, so I will ask you.

Do the RS2000 Mk1’s have the lower step cutout below the radiator, like the Mk2’s did?

This will be for a new big header rad. I think they are listed as Gp4.

Don't know about Mk.2's, but the only differences in the front end panel work of the Mk.1 RS2, was the batt tray support panel being repositioned slightly, the rear lip of the bulkhead being notched out around the rear of the cam cover and the front slam panel being notched out by a couple of inches, for the big header tank rad/leccy fan, and the deletion of the centre vertical support.......I think that's all, but it was a long time ago.

Many thanks.

It’s been proving hard to find a picture of one without a rad, so I can see.

[aeropilot]

Hol said:

It’s been proving hard to find a picture of one without a rad, so I can see.

I've got one of my old one without the rad in, when I was stripping it for its restoration, but its not looking into the front end of the bay from behind, so it doesn't really show what you want to see.

[Mark A S]

aeropilot said:

I've got one of my old one without the rad in, when I was stripping it for its restoration, but its not looking into the front end of the bay from behind, so it doesn't really show what you want to see.

What colour is that ? Looks blue ish,

[aeropilot]

Mark A S said:

aeropilot said:

I've got one of my old one without the rad in, when I was stripping it for its restoration, but its not looking into the front end of the bay from behind, so it doesn't really show what you want to see.

What colour is that ? Looks blue ish,

That's the colour change in the photo that was taken over 35 years ago.....it is in fact a factory black car.

[AL5026]

Now this is the car I’d love to own. Not sure my wife would agree though!!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/203160462764

Awaits aeropilot’s critique on its authenticity......

[aeropilot]

AL5026 said:

Now this is the car I’d love to own. Not sure my wife would agree though!!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/203160462764

Awaits aeropilot’s critique on its authenticity......

Lovely.

The cert from the club is interesting though - without knowing the reg number....as thats 4 months before the RS1600 went on sale......so would expect it to be have an Essex reg plate......as one of the early pre-prod cars.
Interesting that the cert is from the Twin Cam Registrar rather than Will Arnold who has been for decades and still is the RS1600 Registrar?

Will be interesting to see what it goes for!

Surprised to see a car like this on the bay of evil instead of specialist auction or being sold through the club?

Martin Clough's old RS1600 Custom is the one I'd want to have.......was sold on again by KGF some years back after Martin sold it. Martin bought my Twin Cam off me to restore about a year before he bought the RS1600.

[Mark A S]

Indeed, lovely looking RS16. Is it poss it might of been a late twin cam then converted by Ford to an RS16 ?
Something about the add that makes me a bit uneasy, can't put my finger on it, but with a car that rare, I would of expected a much more detailed add.

[aeropilot]

Mark A S said:

Indeed, lovely looking RS16. Is it poss it might of been a late twin cam then converted by Ford to an RS16 ?

The Halewood RS16's were all exactly that, they were Twin Cam's in every respect apart from the engine and the badges....and engine code on the VIN plate (K6 for a TC and L5 for a BDA)
So, yes, possible, but the engine code on the VIN plate would likely still be for a TC.

Mark A S said:

Something about the add that makes me a bit uneasy, can't put my finger on it, but with a car that rare, I would of expected a much more detailed add.

I agree, as I hinted at above.

[generationx]

So what do our esteemed co-posters think of this one?

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1228358

An Australia-build car (I think?) kept "as original as possible". Super-low miles (if believed) but extremely shiny for a fifty-year-old car. I'm not convinced...

[Mark A S]

Long way to go for a view However, my best mate only lives around 20 miles away if anyone's interested.

[aeropilot]

generationx said:

So what do our esteemed co-posters think of this one?

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1228358

An Australia-build car (I think?) kept "as original as possible". Super-low miles (if believed) but extremely shiny for a fifty-year-old car. I'm not convinced...

Comical pricing.

The Aussie built cars (apart from the first 50 odd they were assembled from Halewood supplied shells and parts) were woeful build quality compared to even those built at Halewood, and they are not as good as they didn't bother with some of the special bits.

They are not even worth 50% of the value of a UK car in reality......but people don't do their homework, and have more money than sense.

[Legacywr]

You’d need that landed in the UK for 30k.

Don’t like the XL styling, or the black underneath.

[aeropilot]

Legacywr said:

You’d need that landed in the UK for 30k.

Not even worth that amount in reality...!

[Hol]

aeropilot said:

Hol said:

It’s been proving hard to find a picture of one without a rad, so I can see.

I've got one of my old one without the rad in, when I was stripping it for its restoration, but its not looking into the front end of the bay from behind, so it doesn't really show what you want to see.

Thanks. You are correct that the money shot would be looking down towards the roll bar.

[aeropilot]

Hol said:

Thanks. You are correct that the money shot would be looking down towards the roll bar.

You'd see a normal Mk.1 structure though, it wasn't any different, it was only the top slam panel that was modified along with the vertical supports.

[Little Pete]

Mark A S said:

Indeed, lovely looking RS16. Is it poss it might of been a late twin cam then converted by Ford to an RS16 ?
Something about the add that makes me a bit uneasy, can't put my finger on it, but with a car that rare, I would of expected a much more detailed add.

I thought the same thing. It's a lovely looking car but something doesn't seem right about the ad. Lack of information, and the location is a bit odd too. If it is as advertised though you would be buying a piece of history.

[Tyre Smoke]

Odd feedback history too. Which might be genuine - or not.

I suppose if you did your research and hijacked aero for a day trip....

[Hol]

aeropilot said:

Hol said:

Thanks. You are correct that the money shot would be looking down towards the roll bar.

You'd see a normal Mk.1 structure though, it wasn't any different, it was only the top slam panel that was modified along with the vertical supports.

Awesome thanks. My bodyshop want me to supply a radiator so they can do the dry build, and I want something big enough to handle the Pinto, included as part of the initial build.

[aeropilot]

Hol said:

aeropilot said:

Hol said:

Thanks. You are correct that the money shot would be looking down towards the roll bar.

You'd see a normal Mk.1 structure though, it wasn't any different, it was only the top slam panel that was modified along with the vertical supports.

Awesome thanks. My bodyshop want me to supply a radiator so they can do the dry build, and I want something big enough to handle the Pinto, included as part of the initial build.

The problem with the Pinto is its length, rather than anything else, which is why the RS2000 has the electric fan fitted, and you could still only just about get a finger down between the front pulley and the rad. The rad on the RS2 was bigger thogh than a Mex/RS16.

[Hol]

aeropilot said:

Hol said:

aeropilot said:

Hol said:

Thanks. You are correct that the money shot would be looking down towards the roll bar.

You'd see a normal Mk.1 structure though, it wasn't any different, it was only the top slam panel that was modified along with the vertical supports.

Awesome thanks. My bodyshop want me to supply a radiator so they can do the dry build, and I want something big enough to handle the Pinto, included as part of the initial build.

The problem with the Pinto is its length, rather than anything else, which is why the RS2000 has the electric fan fitted, and you could still only just about get a finger down between the front pulley and the rad. The rad on the RS2 was bigger thogh than a Mex/RS16.

I am expecting to put in a fan in front, but the latest alloy radiators should be more efficient that the used Mk3-5 Cortina ones my friends and I used to fit.

The important ask from me was to understand the height measurement/constraints to help choose one of the many options. I think I now have that, If there is no step.

My only other criteria is that it has a built in fan switch and a straight top outlet.