Ultra rare mk 1 Escort at upcoming auction

[aeropilot]

Mark A S said:

Heartbreaking. I "suppose" if you have the skills and facility to rebuild it yourself,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Wonder where the fire started, poss under the bonnet then followed the fuel line back to the Tank in the boot ?

Indeed.
Its still got its AVO build plate which looks OK, although I'm not sure about his assertion the shell is OK?
It doesn't take long in a fire to toast light gauge steel.
However, I wonder if he had an extinguisher on board as the plastic cam belt cover doesn't even look like it's melted into a gooey mess, so maybe it really is only soot damage under the bonnet. Its look like there's more melt damage in the interior than under the bonnet, so maybe it was an interior electrical fire that started it? More damage on the left rear as well, which is opposite side to the tank.....so all a bit odd.
You can understand the heartbreak of not wanting to start all over again, if he restored it before.

[generationx]

I wonder if it was in a building that was on fire - as said it obviously got hot (instruments melted, radiator overflow pipe gone for example) but the actual damage seems local to the rear of the cockpit.

[Shezbo]

aeropilot said:

This one is a sad sight.......but can't believe what has already been bid to given the work needed!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/164954746226?hash=item2...

This is of course a 'write-off' and cannot go back on the road i.e. fire damaged steel means that the shell cannot be repaired?

So all the people bidding (up to such a figure), what are they going to do with it?

I

[Muzzer79]

Shezbo said:

aeropilot said:

This one is a sad sight.......but can't believe what has already been bid to given the work needed!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/164954746226?hash=item2...

This is of course a 'write-off' and cannot go back on the road i.e. fire damaged steel means that the shell cannot be repaired?

So all the people bidding (up to such a figure), what are they going to do with it?

I

Can it not be re-shelled?

[Touring442]

If it is still registered with DVLA and is not a Category B then it can go again. Failing that, re register it on the VIN with an age related plate. This is assuming there has even been an insurance claim.

[aeropilot]

Shezbo said:

aeropilot said:

This one is a sad sight.......but can't believe what has already been bid to given the work needed!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/164954746226?hash=item2...

This is of course a 'write-off' and cannot go back on the road i.e. fire damaged steel means that the shell cannot be repaired?

So all the people bidding (up to such a figure), what are they going to do with it?

I

Re-shell it.

You can buy a brand new built Mk1 shell from Motorsport-Tools.

[Tyre Smoke]

aeropilot said:

Re-shell it.

You can buy a brand new built Mk1 shell from Motorsport-Tools.

Surely that seriously devalues the originality?

As in, it's not an original AVO build? Still potentially a valuable Ford, just considerably less valuable?

[Zener]

That shell will be back on the road lick of paint and all that sad but true IMO

[Legacywr]

His mates have bid that up

[jeremyc]

This one was on display (and for sale) at Goodwood Festival of Speed.

Yours for £85K ...

[Mark A S]

Re the RS16 above, the AVO lot are talking about that on FB, apparently it was originally Maize yellow when new. I suppose a colour change might de value the car, not in this case though looking at that price

[aeropilot]

Tyre Smoke said:

aeropilot said:

Re-shell it.

You can buy a brand new built Mk1 shell from Motorsport-Tools.

Surely that seriously devalues the originality?

As in, it's not an original AVO build? Still potentially a valuable Ford, just considerably less valuable?

Not considerably less, but yes, it would impact its value going forward, but then, there are not many all original shell cars left anyway. Most have had new front ends (bulkhead forward) new floors, rear quarters etc fitted, so many of the restored cars on the road are lucky if more than 50-60% of their shells are 'original AVO build'.

Virtually every £75-100k+ 'ex-works' car left is on its 2nd or 3rd or more shells.

And anyway, its still better to have a re-shelled car back on the road than just scrap it and its gone forever.

[Legacywr]

Mark A S said:

Re the RS16 above, the AVO lot are talking about that on FB, apparently it was originally Maize yellow when new. I suppose a colour change might de value the car, not in this case though looking at that price

I guess it was sprayed white as at one point Maize would have been an extremely unpopular colour, where as now it would be a desired, and iconic colour.

[aeropilot]

Mark A S said:

Re the RS16 above, the AVO lot are talking about that on FB, apparently it was originally Maize yellow when new. I suppose a colour change might de value the car, not in this case though looking at that price

Given its still got it's AVO build plate (just out of shot) which (if original) will have Maize in big letters stamped on it, I'd say yes, that price is really kite flying.......but its Goodwood, so its got 20% GAT rate added to its value (Goodwood Added Tax)

[Tyre Smoke]

aeropilot said:

Tyre Smoke said:

aeropilot said:

Re-shell it.

You can buy a brand new built Mk1 shell from Motorsport-Tools.

Surely that seriously devalues the originality?

As in, it's not an original AVO build? Still potentially a valuable Ford, just considerably less valuable?

Not considerably less, but yes, it would impact its value going forward, but then, there are not many all original shell cars left anyway. Most have had new front ends (bulkhead forward) new floors, rear quarters etc fitted, so many of the restored cars on the road are lucky if more than 50-60% of their shells are 'original AVO build'.

Virtually every £75-100k+ 'ex-works' car left is on its 2nd or 3rd or more shells.

And anyway, its still better to have a re-shelled car back on the road than just scrap it and its gone forever.

I suppose that is very true. I remember talking to someone about my 1600E and say if someone shouted 'welding' and it all fell off, I'd be left holding a steering wheel.

[jeremyc]

aeropilot said:

Mark A S said:

Re the RS16 above, the AVO lot are talking about that on FB, apparently it was originally Maize yellow when new. I suppose a colour change might de value the car, not in this case though looking at that price

Given its still got it's AVO build plate (just out of shot) which (if original) will have Maize in big letters stamped on it, I'd say yes, that price is really kite flying.......but its Goodwood, so its got 20% GAT rate added to its value (Goodwood Added Tax)

It's not been Maize for a long time.

Advert said:

The Escort was colour changed from Maize to White within six months of first registration ...

[Shezbo]

Zener said:

That shell will be back on the road lick of paint and all that sad but true IMO

Once steel has been subjected to fire, it is brittle and cannot be repaired, it has also probably warped?

[Shezbo]

aeropilot said:

Re-shell it.

You can buy a brand new built Mk1 shell from Motorsport-Tools.

So originality counts for nothing, so long as it has some tenuous link to being a RS that still makes it worth silly money....incredible!

[aeropilot]

Shezbo said:

aeropilot said:

Re-shell it.

You can buy a brand new built Mk1 shell from Motorsport-Tools.

So originality counts for nothing, so long as it has some tenuous link to being a RS that still makes it worth silly money....incredible!

If the shell is fked through fire damage, originality is immaterial as its either scrap it and you break it for parts or re-shell it and it stays on the road.
What is so hard to understand about that?

[Shezbo]

aeropilot said:

If the shell is fked through fire damage, originality is immaterial as its either scrap it and you break it for parts or re-shell it and it stays on the road.
What is so hard to understand about that?