Ultra rare mk 1 Escort at upcoming auction

[Tyre Smoke]

Shezbo said:

aeropilot said:

If the shell is fked through fire damage, originality is immaterial as its either scrap it and you break it for parts or re-shell it and it stays on the road.
What is so hard to understand about that?

I think the point here Shez, is that originally these cars were built for rallying to destruction. Many as Aero has said, were reshelled or new front ended back in the day by both club men and the works teams. Reshelling a Ford rally car is not a dirty word.

[aeropilot]

Shezbo said:

aeropilot said:

If the shell is fked through fire damage, originality is immaterial as its either scrap it and you break it for parts or re-shell it and it stays on the road.
What is so hard to understand about that?

Why the ...you are the one that is not grasping this

I guess you prefer the idea it gets scrapped and broken for parts?

[Touring442]

The shell is not beyond repair. All the fire damaged panels are available new. The car is not a burn out, and it can be restored.

End of, basically.

[Zener]

Touring442 said:

The shell is not beyond repair. All the fire damaged panels are available new. The car is not a burn out, and it can be restored.

End of, basically.

And thats great news IMO

[Legacywr]

https://www.historics.co.uk/buying/auctions/2021-0...

Sold over estimate.

[aeropilot]

Legacywr said:

https://www.historics.co.uk/buying/auctions/2021-0...

Sold over estimate.

£53k....!! wowzers.

[Shezbo]

Legacywr said:

https://www.historics.co.uk/buying/auctions/2021-0...

Sold over estimate.

Marbles lost...!

[s m]

Legacywr said:

https://www.historics.co.uk/buying/auctions/2021-0...

Sold over estimate.

What a lovely thing to take out for a sunny morning B-road blast

[Legacywr]

s m said:

Legacywr said:

https://www.historics.co.uk/buying/auctions/2021-0...

Sold over estimate.

What a lovely thing to take out for a sunny morning B-road blast

Agreed, but for maybe £30k...

[s m]

Legacywr said:

s m said:

Legacywr said:

https://www.historics.co.uk/buying/auctions/2021-0...

Sold over estimate.

What a lovely thing to take out for a sunny morning B-road blast

Agreed, but for maybe £30k...

I too would happily pay less - sadly not available when I just looked for one the same
Certainly get a Mk1 Escort of some descript for 30k though

[vpr]

s m said:

Legacywr said:

s m said:

Legacywr said:

https://www.historics.co.uk/buying/auctions/2021-0...

Sold over estimate.

What a lovely thing to take out for a sunny morning B-road blast

Agreed, but for maybe £30k...

I too would happily pay less - sadly not available when I just looked for one the same
Certainly get a Mk1 Escort of some descript for 30k though

Trouble is nothing exists for 30k that is anywhere near comparable so a cooking escort isn’t either.

[Legacywr]

vpr said:

s m said:

Legacywr said:

s m said:

Legacywr said:

https://www.historics.co.uk/buying/auctions/2021-0...

Sold over estimate.

What a lovely thing to take out for a sunny morning B-road blast

Agreed, but for maybe £30k...

I too would happily pay less - sadly not available when I just looked for one the same
Certainly get a Mk1 Escort of some descript for 30k though

Trouble is nothing exists for 30k that is anywhere near comparable so a cooking escort isn’t either.

My point being that it’s a re-shell, so not worth a lot more than £30k IMO.

[vpr]

Legacywr said:

vpr said:

s m said:

Legacywr said:

s m said:

Legacywr said:

https://www.historics.co.uk/buying/auctions/2021-0...

Sold over estimate.

What a lovely thing to take out for a sunny morning B-road blast

Agreed, but for maybe £30k...

I too would happily pay less - sadly not available when I just looked for one the same
Certainly get a Mk1 Escort of some descript for 30k though

Trouble is nothing exists for 30k that is anywhere near comparable so a cooking escort isn’t either.

My point being that it’s a re-shell, so not worth a lot more than £30k IMO.

I don’t think that’s unusual in the Ford world.

I think it’s the identity and the parts that make the car that you’re paying for.

[Shezbo]

vpr said:

I don’t think that’s unusual in the Ford world.

I think it’s the identity and the parts that make the car that you’re paying for.

This was my point, two pages ago?
How can this car be worth anything like the money asked, because it is not an RS1600, it is just a collection of parts, with swapped a identification i.e. new shell, probably, many new engine parts, the interior will need replacing etc. etc ....it is now no more than a 'ringer'.

Fools and their money?

[pingu393]

I've had some "Trigger's brooms" in the past.

I think they were better than the originals, because they were set up with great care using better parts, but I'd never have thought for one second they were worth more than an original.

[aeropilot]

Shezbo said:

vpr said:

I don’t think that’s unusual in the Ford world.

I think it’s the identity and the parts that make the car that you’re paying for.

This was my point, two pages ago?
How can this car be worth anything like the money asked, because it is not an RS1600, it is just a collection of parts, with swapped a identification i.e. new shell, probably, many new engine parts, the interior will need replacing etc. etc ....it is now no more than a 'ringer'.

Fools and their money?

Which car are you referring to now, the fire damaged RS1600 from 2 pages ago, or the re-shelled Twin Cam that sold for £53k...?

[vpr]

aeropilot said:

Which car are you referring to now, the fire damaged RS1600 from 2 pages ago, or the re-shelled Twin Cam that sold for £53k...?

Was it reshelled using a new shell?

If so isn’t this like 75% of any restoration performed now that shells are available. Even in the day it was economically viable to buy a new shell and transfer the parts legitimately. (I think this was alluded to).

I had an Etype restored whereby the only original panel was the roof. Sooner that than patches and plop.

I think the “reshelled” RS1600 was ok money wise. Had it been original in every respect it would have made more.

[aeropilot]

vpr said:

I had an Etype restored whereby the only original panel was the roof. Sooner that than patches and plop.

I know of a RS3100 with its only original panel being the fuel filler flap

[Mark A S]

Wow, 53k for a re-shelled Twink, my RS2 must be worth a lot more than i thought

[aeropilot]

Mark A S said:

Wow, 53k for a re-shelled Twink, my RS2 must be worth a lot more than i thought

I suspect that it's been bought by someone with a view to Historic rallying, as that's the only explanation I can think of for the money paid, especially with the fact it's completely the wrong colour for a Twink, and £53k is VERY strong money for a Twink that needs a full strip to bare shell, and re-paint.