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Allan L said:
crankedup said:
IIRC Riley were another Company that used the Meadows engines? I did enjoy a Bayliss Thomas
open tourer with one of their engines, great engine it was too.
Riley, another great British car, full of quality and broad range of models.
Riley made their own engines, even in the Veteran period.open tourer with one of their engines, great engine it was too.
Riley, another great British car, full of quality and broad range of models.
Vintage Lea-Francis used Meadows engines as did a few Frazer Nash (of which some 200% survive).
Allan L said:
crankedup said:
IIRC Riley were another Company that used the Meadows engines? I did enjoy a Bayliss Thomas
open tourer with one of their engines, great engine it was too.
Riley, another great British car, full of quality and broad range of models.
Riley made their own engines, even in the Veteran period.open tourer with one of their engines, great engine it was too.
Riley, another great British car, full of quality and broad range of models.
Vintage Lea-Francis used Meadows engines as did a few Frazer Nash (of which some 200% survive).
Allan L said:
crankedup said:
For me, despite the allure, the veterans are a step to far, mainly because I would be concerned about the financial upkeep. At some stage I must try and blag a ride out in one, just for the sheer experience of what I’m missing.
That 1912 Mors is too modern to be a Veteran and although King Edward VII died in1910 we refer to cars of the post-1904/pre-1920 period as Edwardian.crankedup said:
IIRC Riley were another Company that used the Meadows engines? I did enjoy a Bayliss Thomas
open tourer with one of their engines, great engine it was too.
Riley, another great British car, full of quality and broad range of models.
Since the first time I saw one in a museum nearly forty years ago, there is one car that uses the Meadows engine that I have always lusted after, yet will never ever be able to afford. An Invicta Low Chassis. When I first saw one they were about £40,000, and now nearer a million.open tourer with one of their engines, great engine it was too.
Riley, another great British car, full of quality and broad range of models.
crankedup said:
Allan L said:
That 1912 Mors is too modern to be a Veteran and although King Edward VII died in1910 we refer to cars of the post-1904/pre-1920 period as Edwardian.
Blimey I didn’t know that a fourth category had been installed. Every day is a school day. I noted the reference to Lalique mascots, and they were very collectable in the day, and in some cases still are. If you can find a green fox with R. Lalique on the base, your day is made, but I have had a Chrysis for over 30 years. Their values peaked in the 1990s, and have been in slow decline this century. There are four up for sale at Bonhams at the moment if they interest you:-
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/26120/?utm_source...
ETA:- Lalique is still made today, but the "real" ones have the R. Lalique inscription. Modern Lalique doe not have the "R". The glass contains arsenic and the production as such w3ould banned today, even if they knew the way to do it, which the last I heard they don't. I remember on the Antiques Road Show a woman having bought a plant in the market and the pot turned out to be a unique lost wax vase. She paid £1 for the plant and sold the vase for £50,000.
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/26120/?utm_source...
ETA:- Lalique is still made today, but the "real" ones have the R. Lalique inscription. Modern Lalique doe not have the "R". The glass contains arsenic and the production as such w3ould banned today, even if they knew the way to do it, which the last I heard they don't. I remember on the Antiques Road Show a woman having bought a plant in the market and the pot turned out to be a unique lost wax vase. She paid £1 for the plant and sold the vase for £50,000.
Edited by lowdrag on Friday 23 October 08:02
lowdrag said:
I noted the reference to Lalique mascots, and they were very collectable in the day, and in some cases still are. If you can find a green fox with R. Lalique on the base, your day is made, but I have had a Chrysis for over 30 years. Their values peaked in the 1990s, and have been in slow decline this century. There are four up for sale at Bonhams at the moment if they interest you:-
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/26120/?utm_source...
ETA:- Lalique is still made today, but the "real" ones have the R. Lalique inscription. Modern Lalique doe not have the "R". The glass contains arsenic and the production as such w3ould banned today, even if they knew the way to do it, which the last I heard they don't. I remember on the Antiques Road Show a woman having bought a plant in the market and the pot turned out to be a unique lost wax vase. She paid £1 for the plant and sold the vase for £50,000.
I am no expert on Lalique but you do have to be carefull with the artful auction houses as indicated here, where mascots are said to be "introduced" on the 29 dec 1929 or whenever, referring to when they were first made( introduced to the world) and not the date of the object for sale which may have been last week as some have been in almost continuous production since and its the early ones, especially those made before 1945 when Rene Lalique died , that are collectible and valuable. https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/26120/?utm_source...
ETA:- Lalique is still made today, but the "real" ones have the R. Lalique inscription. Modern Lalique doe not have the "R". The glass contains arsenic and the production as such w3ould banned today, even if they knew the way to do it, which the last I heard they don't. I remember on the Antiques Road Show a woman having bought a plant in the market and the pot turned out to be a unique lost wax vase. She paid £1 for the plant and sold the vase for £50,000.
Edited by lowdrag on Friday 23 October 08:02
Also, it may seem confusing but many Lalique pieces especially the contemporary ones are called mascots as they were based on the original mascot pieces but they are not as they are ornamental glass artwork for your desk or mantlepiece or wherever .
The crucial element has long been left out and that is the distinctive groove in the base which is needed if its an old mascot as this is required to mount it on a Breves mount for instance and onto the radiator.
If it does not have this it is likely to be newer than the originals and far less valuable.
The market is more complex that you think ( I believe ) but the value of seemingly identical Lalique "mascots" can vary a lot.
Yes you are right about the fox i believe as it was very expensive to make apparently and was premium priced accordingly so very few were sold so people who collect Lalique mascot want the full set of 29 and will pay serious money for one, I have been told over £100k
lowdrag said:
crankedup said:
IIRC Riley were another Company that used the Meadows engines? I did enjoy a Bayliss Thomas
open tourer with one of their engines, great engine it was too.
Riley, another great British car, full of quality and broad range of models.
Since the first time I saw one in a museum nearly forty years ago, there is one car that uses the Meadows engine that I have always lusted after, yet will never ever be able to afford. An Invicta Low Chassis. When I first saw one they were about £40,000, and now nearer a million.open tourer with one of their engines, great engine it was too.
Riley, another great British car, full of quality and broad range of models.
Now some ‘top end’ desirable cars have hit stratospheric prices they are now stuck in air conditioned heated lock-ups and sold on at ever higher prices year on year. Will they ever see the roads again and gain a patina I wonder, I suspect not.
t. I've (and my father, and my neighbour) been calling it Kay Gas until this thread... At last, something interesting to read in the Yesterday's Heros thread.
I personally like cars that I can remember from the era when I was born (1958) or very small. they're very evocative whereas the cars that I've had, 70's & 80's are just old junkers.
As a small child I distinctly remember both of the cars I have now, 1951 RMB and 1963 SP250.
I must be getting old because this works for music as well.
I'm not brave enough to go pre war(yet) so the Riley "Pre war style with post war engineering" works for me.
I personally like cars that I can remember from the era when I was born (1958) or very small. they're very evocative whereas the cars that I've had, 70's & 80's are just old junkers.
As a small child I distinctly remember both of the cars I have now, 1951 RMB and 1963 SP250.
I must be getting old because this works for music as well.
I'm not brave enough to go pre war(yet) so the Riley "Pre war style with post war engineering" works for me.
dartissimus said:
At last, something interesting to read in the Yesterday's Heros thread.
I personally like cars that I can remember from the era when I was born (1958) or very small. they're very evocative whereas the cars that I've had, 70's & 80's are just old junkers.
As a small child I distinctly remember both of the cars I have now, 1951 RMB and 1963 SP250.
I must be getting old because this works for music as well.
I'm not brave enough to go pre war(yet) so the Riley "Pre war style with post war engineering" works for me.
I'd say the RM was pre-war engineering and style. It's Big Four engine was first used in the late '30s and its styling evolved from the Kestrel and pre-war Nuffield models. The RM, certainly early models, are essentially pre-war cars on a new chassis and to me, are equally appealing. Pity they're too long for my garage otherwise I'd still have my '54 RME I personally like cars that I can remember from the era when I was born (1958) or very small. they're very evocative whereas the cars that I've had, 70's & 80's are just old junkers.
As a small child I distinctly remember both of the cars I have now, 1951 RMB and 1963 SP250.
I must be getting old because this works for music as well.
I'm not brave enough to go pre war(yet) so the Riley "Pre war style with post war engineering" works for me.
Though born in 1949 I don't remember them, my early years being spent abroad so it's only cars from the late '50s/early '60s onward that stick in my mind; I remember the Met using SP250s as patrol cars, based at their garage in Hampton where I lived at the time.
Riley Blue said:
Though born in 1949 I don't remember them, my early years being spent abroad so it's only cars from the late '50s/early '60s onward that stick in my mind; I remember the Met using SP250s as patrol cars, based at their garage in Hampton where I lived at the time.
I wasn't born till '63, but my old man was a Met Copper from mid 50's to mid 80's, and I can just remember the Met's SP250's - but that's helped by my Dad arranging a traffic guy he knew from Wembley garage where the NW traffic SP's were based, to take me for brief blat up the North Circular in one 
Well as everyone seems to be announcing their age I'll chip in to say I was born in Ealing in '56 and have a brother born in '52. Being 4 years old he got me interested in cars at a young age and there were always interesting things to look at on the walk to school. There was an Old English White MGA Coupe that I loved and I also remember an XK150 because the badge fascinated me as it listed all the Le Mans wins! My 1st car was a Riley ONe-Point-Five, followed by a ZB Magnette and then age 18 an MGA1600, that coupe made an impression on me 
Through the MGCC I got to know chaps with TCs and TDs and always fancied something pre-war. Owning an Aston made a Lagonda the obvious choice 
Through the MGCC I got to know chaps with TCs and TDs and always fancied something pre-war. Owning an Aston made a Lagonda the obvious choice Riley Blue said:
I remember the Met using SP250s as patrol cars, based at their garage in Hampton where I lived at the time.
What a little slice of maddness. Just been reading about the, can you imagine the police in one now, V8 automatic mx5 officer? They don't even have a roof!https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimler_SP250%23Po...
https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/magazine/daimler-s...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/classic/daimler-s...
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