Gym thread - Bodybuilding Vs Military style Circuit Training

[KingRichard]

_Lee_ said:

KingRichard said:

emicen said:

Was talking to some boys down the gym last night about kick boxing. Never yet seen a fatty doing Muay Thai. Food for thought...

I used to kickbox, absolutely loved it but I'm avoiding martial arts that involve a lot of striking as it's just not practical in self defence situations.

Currently learning Brazilian Ju-Jitsu, which is more about rolling, grappling and submission

And you're much less likely to be prosecuted for restraining someone than you are for switching their lights off with a kick to the head

I don't understand how striking is not practical in self defense? I understand what you are saying about the legal issues but I would rather be charged for injuring someone than be drinking through a straw for the rest of my life.

I love Ju-Jitsu and think a lot of it, but given a lot of it is ground work, its not something you do in the street. As soon as you get on the floor with someone his mate gets to stamp and kick you in the face.

I think that's why a lot of MMA training is becoming more popular these days. At Ju-Jitsu we are taught by a guy who's been working doors for several years. He usually teaches slight variations of techniques to leave yourself less vulnerable on the street. Not that I've ever had to use any of it in real life.

[KingRichard]

captainzep said:

KingRichard said:

captainzep said:

A gay friend of my wife has just become single. He's a bit unhappy at the moment and I think he would like some company to pick him up a bit.

Thought this thread would be a good place to ask?

Actually, I was going to view that post as a wind up. Then I noticed you're in Kent. If he's looking for a workout partner I'll chat to him.

I'm not gay before anyone starts!

Edited by KingRichard on Tuesday 17th June 10:42

Ummm. [slowly starts to back away]

It kind of was a wind up.

OH MY GOD! LOOK OVER THERE [runs like the wind in opposite direction]

Wouldn't you train with a gay bloke then? What's the difference

[KingRichard]

emicen said:

Brazillian, rolling, grappling and submission. If only the words female and bikini were involved in that paragraph, it would have been perfect.

Regarding martial arts, up this way self defence via submission isnt an option really. (this too was what we were talking about last night). Up this way, if someone comes for you, basically run or end it are your two options. Getting someone in to a submissive position on the ground only opens your back up to being stabbed by their mate(s) in this city.

Don't sound like fun... There's less fear of that sort of thing down here (mainly gobby pikeys that cause problems) but it's still a possibility I suppose.

Best option, as ever is to leg it... unless mates etc are in danger.

[Yugguy]

MT is great if you want to knock someone unconscious, and aye, in a life and death situation you'd not think twice. But when say faced with some teenage chav, in today's fked-up twisted world you'd be better off being able to restrain or neutralise him without causing him hurt, otherwise you'd be the one in the dock facing a horde of bleating do-gooders.

[KingRichard]

Yugguy said:

MT is great if you want to knock someone unconscious, and aye, in a life and death situation you'd not think twice. But when say faced with some teenage chav, in today's fked-up twisted world you'd be better off being able to restrain or neutralise him without causing him hurt, otherwise you'd be the one in the dock facing a horde of bleating do-gooders.

[KingRichard]

I don't get where you're coming from. If you want to make out that us Gym Rats are just bum cheek-slapping homo's then just say it

Then we'll tear you a new one

Or alternatively (and more than likely) you're in denial over your sexual preference, and look to assert your manliness in any way you can... You probably touched boys bums in the showers at rugby when you were a lad. You did... Didn't you?!

[captainzep]

KingRichard said:

captainzep said:

KingRichard said:

captainzep said:

A gay friend of my wife has just become single. He's a bit unhappy at the moment and I think he would like some company to pick him up a bit.

Thought this thread would be a good place to ask?

Actually, I was going to view that post as a wind up. Then I noticed you're in Kent. If he's looking for a workout partner I'll chat to him.

I'm not gay before anyone starts!

Edited by KingRichard on Tuesday 17th June 10:42

Ummm. [slowly starts to back away]

It kind of was a wind up.

OH MY GOD! LOOK OVER THERE [runs like the wind in opposite direction]

Wouldn't you train with a gay bloke then? What's the difference

Bless you Richard, you are clearly kind of heart and in superlative physical condition. But I was running way because my previous posts were light hearted, thinly veiled jocular accusations that all you strong sweaty gym chaps are bummerists. When you accuse muscular, handy ex-army types of having a hidden sexual agenda on this thread you have to accept that they may be a touch unhappy. Hence the running thing.

As to whether I would train with a gay fella, I'd rather have a beer with him because gyms are not my thing. Although I rather fear I've pissed on my chips on that one too.

[Yugguy]

Excuse me but I'm the one who's in superlative physical condition on this forum thank you.

[captainzep]

Yugguy said:

Excuse me but I'm the one who's in superlative physical condition on this forum thank you.

What are you wearing?

[KingRichard]

captainzep said:

Yugguy said:

Excuse me but I'm the one who's in superlative physical condition on this forum thank you.

What are you wearing?

[skinner05]

Thinking of starting the Navy Seals training routine soon to see just how fit i can get.Just wondering how long a rest should be between each set of push ups or which ever exercise it is you are doing?

cheers

[KingRichard]

skinner05 said:

Thinking of starting the Navy Seals training routine soon to see just how fit i can get.Just wondering how long a rest should be between each set of push ups or which ever exercise it is you are doing?

cheers

I've been aiming for a minute... but occasionally that lapses to two minutes

Some of those last sets are total bds! It's last set of press ups and the last set of sit ups that I have to break into two sets that pisses me off. Once I've nailed them I'm gonna move onto the second section

[skinner05]

Cheers rich. Also, do you do the push ups, sit ups and pull ups at the same time, say within a 20 minute period, or the push ups in the morning and sit ups at night?

cheers

[KingRichard]

skinner05 said:

Cheers rich. Also, do you do the push ups, sit ups and pull ups at the same time, say within a 20 minute period, or the push ups in the morning and sit ups at night?

cheers

Nope, I do them all at once in the one workout, then do my swimming straight after - but that involves going to another gym which is a pain in the arse so I haven't been doing that bit.

I suspect that's why I am still struggling with the bodyweight exercises. The swimming must be in there to help develop all round endurance and as I've been missing out I'm lagging behind on the program.

That's just a guess though. New gym opens in town soon with the full bifters so I'm hoping I can get the lot done every day

[skinner05]

Just noticed how expensive swimming is, scandalous.Might jump in local res instead, proper navy style.I was top boy in yorkshire at 11 for swimming so that part shouldnt be too hard, just getting myself down to the pool will be the hard part

[okgo]

skinner05 said:

Just noticed how expensive swimming is, scandalous.Might jump in local res instead, proper navy style.I was top boy in yorkshire at 11 for swimming so that part shouldnt be too hard, just getting myself down to the pool will be the hard part

Is swimming in the res not a dangerous hobby?

Don't know why, just heard they are not that safe..

[skinner05]

okgo said:

skinner05 said:

Just noticed how expensive swimming is, scandalous.Might jump in local res instead, proper navy style.I was top boy in yorkshire at 11 for swimming so that part shouldnt be too hard, just getting myself down to the pool will be the hard part

Is swimming in the res not a dangerous hobby?

Don't know why, just heard they are not that safe..

Was only joking, im too soft, itd be too cold. Being serious, each res is different. I have been swimming in one that is fine, apart from being full of dead cows, but have been told that most are very dangerous for a number of reasons that i cant remember.

[moochoo]

I am going to second the earlier suggestion for Crossfit [i workout with Tim]

Its how a lot of the military workout and fire service and so on. A lot of the workouts are named after fallen soldiers or fire fighters.

Pound for Pound the CrossFit guys are phenomenal, the workouts are based on a lot of olympic lifts and body weight exercises.
An example workout for a fallen soldier is

Run 1 Mile
100 Pullups
200 pressups
300 Squats
Run 1 Mile

So the workout are definitely challenging but you can scale them down to suit your fitness level.

Edited by moochoo on Monday 14th July 15:55

[skinner05]

Well i started the navy seals programme tonight with the running and the press ups etc afterwards and it showed me im not as fit as i thought.

Did the running a bit too quick i think (12.03 minutes for the 2 miles) which then made the press ups quite hard as i felt sick doing them.The sit ups are a killer and i changed it to 3 x 5 sets of pull ups as just 3 x 3 didnt seem enough.Doing the swimming for the first time tomorrow so will see how that goes. Hopefully fitness levels will soar from this point onwards. Think week 6ish could be my limit though due to time constraints

[KingRichard]

skinner05 said:

Well i started the navy seals programme tonight with the running and the press ups etc afterwards and it showed me im not as fit as i thought.

Did the running a bit too quick i think (12.03 minutes for the 2 miles) which then made the press ups quite hard as i felt sick doing them.The sit ups are a killer and i changed it to 3 x 5 sets of pull ups as just 3 x 3 didnt seem enough.Doing the swimming for the first time tomorrow so will see how that goes. Hopefully fitness levels will soar from this point onwards. Think week 6ish could be my limit though due to time constraints

You only need to be running an 8.30 pace. ie; 17 minutes to do 2 miles. Bloke I train with has said you should only up the intensity of your runs, not the length of them... basically to limit your chances of injury. He's an ex-para so I kinda believe him over the gym instructors

So basically you try and run 2.1 Miles in your 17 minute slot, then 2.2 the next week etc.