French speeding tickets being sent UK licence holders
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So just to be clear kiethton, you've done a long run across Europe during which you have run up €3.5k + €300 in fines which you say are not yours but just a mistake - without any proof offered ( haven't I heard something like this before recently ). Then you failed to see a speed limit sign because after driving for 10hrs you were too tired and just didn't see it - but it's their fault for putting it up in the first place. You then hijacked somebody else's thread to brag about how you aren't going to pay this large bill and you expect us all to clap in admiration of your cleverness! No wonder the British are not as popular as they like to think. I am fed up with apologising to my French friends for the bad manners, stupidity and generally gross behaviour of a small number of British visitors who visit and then depart leaving behind a nasty smell - and unpaid fines! Spoils things for the majority who behave properly, and for those of us who actually live on the Continent.
Edited by Mike-tf3n0 on Friday 15th January 14:34
Edited by Mike-tf3n0 on Friday 15th January 14:37
I have to say , I agree wholeheartedly with the above post , I grew sick and tired of the arrogance of some of the English when I lived there , I avoided most of them wherever possible, barring the ex pats who knew the score and respected the rules .
Worst thing is , when they get physically caught and they don't have the necessary paperwork and their car gets confiscated they stand and cry or come on here to b
h about it .
Worst thing is , when they get physically caught and they don't have the necessary paperwork and their car gets confiscated they stand and cry or come on here to b
h about it .Mike-tf3n0 said:
So just to be clear kiethton, you've done a long run across Europe during which you have run up €3.5k + €300 in fines which you say are not yours but just a mistake - without any proof offered ( haven't I heard something like this before recently ). Then you failed to see a speed limit sign because after driving for 10hrs you were too tired and just didn't see it - but it's their fault for putting it up in the first place. You then hijacked somebody else's thread to brag about how you aren't going to pay this large bill and you expect us all to clap in admiration of your cleverness! No wonder the British are not as popular as they like to think. I am fed up with apologising to my French friends for the bad manners, stupidity and generally gross behaviour of a small number of British visitors who visit and then depart leaving behind a nasty smell - and unpaid fines! Spoils things for the majority who behave properly, and for those of us who actually live on the Continent.
Mike the problem with this particular individual is he posts antagonistic comments on lots of subjects on PH.Edited by Mike-tf3n0 on Friday 15th January 14:34
Edited by Mike-tf3n0 on Friday 15th January 14:37
Brexit and Covid was all his Christmases arriving at the same time.
Mike-tf3n0 said:
So just to be clear kiethton, you've done a long run across Europe during which you have run up €3.5k + €300 in fines which you say are not yours but just a mistake - without any proof offered ( haven't I heard something like this before recently ). Then you failed to see a speed limit sign because after driving for 10hrs you were too tired and just didn't see it - but it's their fault for putting it up in the first place. You then hijacked somebody else's thread to brag about how you aren't going to pay this large bill and you expect us all to clap in admiration of your cleverness! No wonder the British are not as popular as they like to think. I am fed up with apologising to my French friends for the bad manners, stupidity and generally gross behaviour of a small number of British visitors who visit and then depart leaving behind a nasty smell - and unpaid fines! Spoils things for the majority who behave properly, and for those of us who actually live on the Continent.
It works both ways actually. How many European drivers pay their speeding and other tickets from the UK?Edited by Mike-tf3n0 on Friday 15th January 14:34
Edited by Mike-tf3n0 on Friday 15th January 14:37
If they come in from Dover or Folkstone their likely to use the Dartford crossing. How many do you think bother to pay the toll?
Well, I do! In fact last time I bought the ticket on line but ended returning via the M25 south so never used it! That said, you are probably right. What got me about this keithton clown was his smug attitude and his disregard for the fact that he is a visitor, a guest, in the countries through which he passed. However, if he is a serial, Trumpian, stirrer then presumably he has no friends so this will be the only way he can interact with other people. Sad really!
Mike-tf3n0 said:
Well, I do! In fact last time I bought the ticket on line but ended returning via the M25 south so never used it! That said, you are probably right. What got me about this keithton clown was his smug attitude and his disregard for the fact that he is a visitor, a guest, in the countries through which he passed. However, if he is a serial, Trumpian, stirrer then presumably he has no friends so this will be the only way he can interact with other people. Sad really!
There’s a few like that on PH sadly, most of us like to tour Europe responsibly. Mrs BC and I have travelled Europe extensively over many years without getting any tickets or meeting European plod.bad company said:
It works both ways actually. How many European drivers pay their speeding and other tickets from the UK?
If they come in from Dover or Folkstone their likely to use the Dartford crossing. How many do you think bother to pay the toll?
Myself for one actually. When we had the toll booths we all had to pay, but now I follow hordes of Polish lorries when crossing. It is the fault of the British government that in saving a few pounds on salaries that hundreds ofthousands of pounds are lost in income. I am not a habitual law-breaker, but I am not going out of my way to help a government that will not help itself, nor a government that does not understand joined-up writing. That said, I do not think that the £4 I used to pay on my two annual trips to the UK would actually help in reducing the national debt, nor compensate for the loss of employment and dole that the government decided to pay in lieu.If they come in from Dover or Folkstone their likely to use the Dartford crossing. How many do you think bother to pay the toll?
bad company said:
Mike-tf3n0 said:
Well, I do! In fact last time I bought the ticket on line but ended returning via the M25 south so never used it! That said, you are probably right. What got me about this keithton clown was his smug attitude and his disregard for the fact that he is a visitor, a guest, in the countries through which he passed. However, if he is a serial, Trumpian, stirrer then presumably he has no friends so this will be the only way he can interact with other people. Sad really!
There’s a few like that on PH sadly, most of us like to tour Europe responsibly. Mrs BC and I have travelled Europe extensively over many years without getting any tickets or meeting European plod.I am very headstrong, yes, and do get passionate about things I don’t agree with.
I’ve clocked tens of thousands of miles in Europe, these were two small issues - a missed sign on a German motorway, I slowed to 100ish when I saw the limit drop to that but missed the further reduction to 60, flash a c€300 fine for 106 in a 60. Completely disproportionate.
If you read what I wrote the Croatian one the ticket says it was in an out of town area with no reduced signage (90kph limit) and I was caught at a downward adjusted 112kph, 65mph or so on the equivalent of our national. However they’re applying a 50kph limit (it wasn’t signed as such), hence the huge fine. If it was the c£10 it should be I’d pay it...
I act exactly the same in the U.K/have the same attitude. I was caught at 110mph on the M25 a few years back, I had to go to Guildford Mag’s. They ask for a net income without specifying the period it was for. I arranged a massive pre-tax pension contribution to lower my income to £1k a month. This perfectly legal method left me paying 25% of what it would have been otherwise. If caught and there is a way to mitigate the downside then why not take it?
bad company said:
It works both ways actually. How many European drivers pay their speeding and other tickets from the UK?
If they come in from Dover or Folkstone their likely to use the Dartford crossing. How many do you think bother to pay the toll?
Actually to be fair I have a Dart Charge account and even put the reg of the French hire van I was driving in so I could pay. A month later when I removed it they still hadn’t registered the crossing, so I genuinely think they just don’t charge non UK vehicles. If they come in from Dover or Folkstone their likely to use the Dartford crossing. How many do you think bother to pay the toll?
And I’m fine with that, because the Dart charge was meant to be temporary until construction costs had been recovered, and yet long after that milestone, here it still is. Nobody should actually have to pay it.
Sebastian Tombs said:
bad company said:
It works both ways actually. How many European drivers pay their speeding and other tickets from the UK?
If they come in from Dover or Folkstone their likely to use the Dartford crossing. How many do you think bother to pay the toll?
Actually to be fair I have a Dart Charge account and even put the reg of the French hire van I was driving in so I could pay. A month later when I removed it they still hadn’t registered the crossing, so I genuinely think they just don’t charge non UK vehicles. If they come in from Dover or Folkstone their likely to use the Dartford crossing. How many do you think bother to pay the toll?
And I’m fine with that, because the Dart charge was meant to be temporary until construction costs had been recovered, and yet long after that milestone, here it still is. Nobody should actually have to pay it.
irocfan said:
Sebastian Tombs said:
bad company said:
It works both ways actually. How many European drivers pay their speeding and other tickets from the UK?
If they come in from Dover or Folkstone their likely to use the Dartford crossing. How many do you think bother to pay the toll?
Actually to be fair I have a Dart Charge account and even put the reg of the French hire van I was driving in so I could pay. A month later when I removed it they still hadn’t registered the crossing, so I genuinely think they just don’t charge non UK vehicles. If they come in from Dover or Folkstone their likely to use the Dartford crossing. How many do you think bother to pay the toll?
And I’m fine with that, because the Dart charge was meant to be temporary until construction costs had been recovered, and yet long after that milestone, here it still is. Nobody should actually have to pay it.
Sebastian Tombs said:
And I’m fine with that, because the Dart charge was meant to be temporary until construction costs had been recovered, and yet long after that milestone, here it still is. Nobody should actually have to pay it.
You’re right, the Dartford crossing toll should have stopped many years ago. I thought it might happen after they stopped the tolls for the Seven bridge but no.I posted here in the autumn about having received six fines for offences committed back in the summer.
The sixth had arrived more than six weeks after the fifth despite the sixth offence having occurred only half an hour after the fifth. I know, I know. Anyway, I thought it a bit rich so I wrote to them - despite my partner's pleading with me not to - to express my displeasure.
Several weeks later, two more official looking letters from France drop on to the doormat and I'm thinking the worst, please God, not more bloody fines.
Turns out they're receipts for payments of the fines, receipts for the other four payments arriving over the course of the following days. So, no apology for the mauvaise justice but at least I prompted them to shift their arses and give me some proof I'd paid the fines.
The sixth had arrived more than six weeks after the fifth despite the sixth offence having occurred only half an hour after the fifth. I know, I know. Anyway, I thought it a bit rich so I wrote to them - despite my partner's pleading with me not to - to express my displeasure.
Several weeks later, two more official looking letters from France drop on to the doormat and I'm thinking the worst, please God, not more bloody fines.
Turns out they're receipts for payments of the fines, receipts for the other four payments arriving over the course of the following days. So, no apology for the mauvaise justice but at least I prompted them to shift their arses and give me some proof I'd paid the fines.
kiethton said:
Bit rich to cast a dispersion with very limited information.
I am very headstrong, yes, and do get passionate about things I don’t agree with.
I’ve clocked tens of thousands of miles in Europe, these were two small issues - a missed sign on a German motorway, I slowed to 100ish when I saw the limit drop to that but missed the further reduction to 60, flash a c€300 fine for 106 in a 60. Completely disproportionate.
If you read what I wrote the Croatian one the ticket says it was in an out of town area with no reduced signage (90kph limit) and I was caught at a downward adjusted 112kph, 65mph or so on the equivalent of our national. However they’re applying a 50kph limit (it wasn’t signed as such), hence the huge fine. If it was the c£10 it should be I’d pay it...
I act exactly the same in the U.K/have the same attitude. I was caught at 110mph on the M25 a few years back, I had to go to Guildford Mag’s. They ask for a net income without specifying the period it was for. I arranged a massive pre-tax pension contribution to lower my income to £1k a month. This perfectly legal method left me paying 25% of what it would have been otherwise. If caught and there is a way to mitigate the downside then why not take it?
Cast an aspersion......... just saying I am very headstrong, yes, and do get passionate about things I don’t agree with.
I’ve clocked tens of thousands of miles in Europe, these were two small issues - a missed sign on a German motorway, I slowed to 100ish when I saw the limit drop to that but missed the further reduction to 60, flash a c€300 fine for 106 in a 60. Completely disproportionate.
If you read what I wrote the Croatian one the ticket says it was in an out of town area with no reduced signage (90kph limit) and I was caught at a downward adjusted 112kph, 65mph or so on the equivalent of our national. However they’re applying a 50kph limit (it wasn’t signed as such), hence the huge fine. If it was the c£10 it should be I’d pay it...
I act exactly the same in the U.K/have the same attitude. I was caught at 110mph on the M25 a few years back, I had to go to Guildford Mag’s. They ask for a net income without specifying the period it was for. I arranged a massive pre-tax pension contribution to lower my income to £1k a month. This perfectly legal method left me paying 25% of what it would have been otherwise. If caught and there is a way to mitigate the downside then why not take it?
Your opinion of what is and what is not proportionate carries little weight, the law in each country is what it is, if you have an issue with that then just vote with your feet.
Many countries probably wouldn't miss you
Rushjob said:
kiethton said:
Bit rich to cast a dispersion with very limited information.
I am very headstrong, yes, and do get passionate about things I don’t agree with.
I’ve clocked tens of thousands of miles in Europe, these were two small issues - a missed sign on a German motorway, I slowed to 100ish when I saw the limit drop to that but missed the further reduction to 60, flash a c€300 fine for 106 in a 60. Completely disproportionate.
If you read what I wrote the Croatian one the ticket says it was in an out of town area with no reduced signage (90kph limit) and I was caught at a downward adjusted 112kph, 65mph or so on the equivalent of our national. However they’re applying a 50kph limit (it wasn’t signed as such), hence the huge fine. If it was the c£10 it should be I’d pay it...
I act exactly the same in the U.K/have the same attitude. I was caught at 110mph on the M25 a few years back, I had to go to Guildford Mag’s. They ask for a net income without specifying the period it was for. I arranged a massive pre-tax pension contribution to lower my income to £1k a month. This perfectly legal method left me paying 25% of what it would have been otherwise. If caught and there is a way to mitigate the downside then why not take it?
Cast an aspersion......... just saying I am very headstrong, yes, and do get passionate about things I don’t agree with.
I’ve clocked tens of thousands of miles in Europe, these were two small issues - a missed sign on a German motorway, I slowed to 100ish when I saw the limit drop to that but missed the further reduction to 60, flash a c€300 fine for 106 in a 60. Completely disproportionate.
If you read what I wrote the Croatian one the ticket says it was in an out of town area with no reduced signage (90kph limit) and I was caught at a downward adjusted 112kph, 65mph or so on the equivalent of our national. However they’re applying a 50kph limit (it wasn’t signed as such), hence the huge fine. If it was the c£10 it should be I’d pay it...
I act exactly the same in the U.K/have the same attitude. I was caught at 110mph on the M25 a few years back, I had to go to Guildford Mag’s. They ask for a net income without specifying the period it was for. I arranged a massive pre-tax pension contribution to lower my income to £1k a month. This perfectly legal method left me paying 25% of what it would have been otherwise. If caught and there is a way to mitigate the downside then why not take it?
Your opinion of what is and what is not proportionate carries little weight, the law in each country is what it is, if you have an issue with that then just vote with your feet.
Many countries probably wouldn't miss you
If Germany contact my Mrs again I'll send them a letter (if they provide a return envelope that is - i don't have a printer and will not be paying for stamps) saying that it wasn't me (the RK is a woman) and asking them to ID the driver.
I struggle to see the upside in fighting Croatia as I've not seen any indication they chase them over here, they are factually wrong, and the change in RK will see the car registered to somebody else (was in wife's maiden name) if we return in that car again (unlikely)
kiethton said:
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If Germany contact my Mrs again I'll send them a letter (if they provide a return envelope that is - i don't have a printer and will not be paying for stamps) saying that it wasn't me (the RK is a woman) and asking them to ID the driver.
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Depending on the state the mishap occurred, the letter the Mrs would receive includes a link and a QR code to where you could process the matter online. In case of a camera incident, a sharp picture of vehicle and driver showing the situation in question would also be made available to you on the same occasion.If Germany contact my Mrs again I'll send them a letter (if they provide a return envelope that is - i don't have a printer and will not be paying for stamps) saying that it wasn't me (the RK is a woman) and asking them to ID the driver.
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Bodo said:
kiethton said:
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If Germany contact my Mrs again I'll send them a letter (if they provide a return envelope that is - i don't have a printer and will not be paying for stamps) saying that it wasn't me (the RK is a woman) and asking them to ID the driver.
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Depending on the state the mishap occurred, the letter the Mrs would receive includes a link and a QR code to where you could process the matter online. In case of a camera incident, a sharp picture of vehicle and driver showing the situation in question would also be made available to you on the same occasion.If Germany contact my Mrs again I'll send them a letter (if they provide a return envelope that is - i don't have a printer and will not be paying for stamps) saying that it wasn't me (the RK is a woman) and asking them to ID the driver.
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