French speeding tickets being sent UK licence holders
Discussion
E34-3.2 said:
Yes they can. The car is yours. Very simple. They fine the person who registered the car, not the driver. They impose the law on you as you are the owner and you took the unwise decision to let someone drive "dangerously".
You can complain as much as you like but this is the law, so don't let someone drive your car abroad if you feel that it is unfair.
Yes it’s French law and I still don’t see how they can impose that on me if I wasn’t there. Am I subject to other foreign laws while I’m here at home in the UK?You can complain as much as you like but this is the law, so don't let someone drive your car abroad if you feel that it is unfair.
Mrs BC and I never did get around to getting married. Does that mean we can be prosecuted by the United Arab Emirates if we have a bit of sex anywhere else in the world?
Edited by bad company on Monday 16th September 11:55
Edited by bad company on Monday 16th September 12:10
bad company said:
Yes it’s French law and I still don’t see how they can impose that on me if I wasn’t there. Am I subject to other foreign laws while I’m here at home in the UK?
Your car is your responsibility under French law. Plain simple and easy to understand. Edited by bad company on Monday 16th September 11:55
Same if you have a house in a foreign country. The law is applied to the owner. Example a water pipe burst in your house and flood your neighbours despite you being in the UK while it happened, you are the one liable for it if they take you to court.
Do you understand?
I am responsible for my cars in the UK despite me not being there. I still have to pay taxes and insurances for them, this is the law.
E34-3.2 said:
Your car is your responsibility under French law. Plain simple and easy to understand.
Same if you have a house in a foreign country. The law is applied to the owner. Example a water pipe burst in your house and flood your neighbours despite you being in the UK while it happened, you are the one liable for it if they take you to court.
Do you understand?
I am responsible for my cars in the UK despite me not being there. I still have to pay taxes and insurances for them, this is the law.
Very easy to understand what your saying but that doesn’t make it right. Are you aware of any case law where a car owner has been proved responsible even when they weren’t in France?Same if you have a house in a foreign country. The law is applied to the owner. Example a water pipe burst in your house and flood your neighbours despite you being in the UK while it happened, you are the one liable for it if they take you to court.
Do you understand?
I am responsible for my cars in the UK despite me not being there. I still have to pay taxes and insurances for them, this is the law.
bad company said:
Very easy to understand what your saying but that doesn’t make it right. Are you aware of any case law where a car owner has been proved responsible even when they weren’t in France?
Yes. Speeding fine. I wouldn't call it a case law. It is just a matter of asking your mate for the money to pay the fine. Luckily, points don't get transfered from one country to another one so it doesn't really matter that the fine is at your name. E34-3.2 said:
bad company said:
Very easy to understand what your saying but that doesn’t make it right. Are you aware of any case law where a car owner has been proved responsible even when they weren’t in France?
Yes. Speeding fine. I wouldn't call it a case law. It is just a matter of asking your mate for the money to pay the fine. Luckily, points don't get transfered from one country to another one so it doesn't really matter that the fine is at your name. E34-3.2 said:
WyrleyD said:
I think that's going to change soon though. I read it in the local rag in France that an agreement is about to be signed with the UK about adding points to your UK license for offences committed in France.
That could to hurt a few Brits. Even then Reflective number plates added before your trip is possible I guess, doubt French would even be aware of these as local (&euro) stuff is mostly pressed (not all)
Anyway.. full autonomy will be on us before it’s a biggy
E34-3.2 said:
WyrleyD said:
I think that's going to change soon though. I read it in the local rag in France that an agreement is about to be signed with the UK about adding points to your UK license for offences committed in France.
That could to hurt a few Brits. lowdrag said:
E34-3.2 said:
WyrleyD said:
I think that's going to change soon though. I read it in the local rag in France that an agreement is about to be signed with the UK about adding points to your UK license for offences committed in France.
That could to hurt a few Brits. Pvapour said:
And tourism, 2nd largest sector of their economy after agriculture I think, tho brits probably only account for 10% of that, with only a small % dissuaded by the new points addition law.
Even then Reflective number plates added before your trip is possible I guess, doubt French would even be aware of these as local (&euro) stuff is mostly pressed (not all)
Anyway.. full autonomy will be on us before it’s a biggy
Reflective number plate is a trick which was used in the early 90s in France.Even then Reflective number plates added before your trip is possible I guess, doubt French would even be aware of these as local (&euro) stuff is mostly pressed (not all)
Anyway.. full autonomy will be on us before it’s a biggy
WyrleyD said:
lowdrag said:
E34-3.2 said:
WyrleyD said:
I think that's going to change soon though. I read it in the local rag in France that an agreement is about to be signed with the UK about adding points to your UK license for offences committed in France.
That could to hurt a few Brits. Let's be honest Brits driving in France have a bit of a reputation. I think that it must be the reason why they doing everything to persuade them to drive differently.
E34-3.2 said:
Pvapour said:
And tourism, 2nd largest sector of their economy after agriculture I think, tho brits probably only account for 10% of that, with only a small % dissuaded by the new points addition law.
Even then Reflective number plates added before your trip is possible I guess, doubt French would even be aware of these as local (&euro) stuff is mostly pressed (not all)
Anyway.. full autonomy will be on us before it’s a biggy
Reflective number plate is a trick which was used in the early 90s in France.Even then Reflective number plates added before your trip is possible I guess, doubt French would even be aware of these as local (&euro) stuff is mostly pressed (not all)
Anyway.. full autonomy will be on us before it’s a biggy
Only reason I say is because I bought a car recently and it looks like they’re fitted, looks like some kind of film on them? Anyway, I’ve not had any fines sent to uk since getting the car 3 moths ago and my driving hasn’t changed.. maybe I’ve been lucky, tbh most of our cameras have been torched and even 18 of the new 32 indestructible super cameras have been disabled by the locals, gota love the resistance!
Pvapour said:
Cool, 30 yrs, they’ll have forgotten
Only reason I say is because I bought a car recently and it looks like they’re fitted, looks like some kind of film on them? Anyway, I’ve not had any fines sent to uk since getting the car 3 moths ago and my driving hasn’t changed.. maybe I’ve been lucky, tbh most of our cameras have been torched and even 18 of the new 32 indestructible super cameras have been disabled by the locals, gota love the resistance!
Could be thanks to the gilets jaune though. Most of the fixed radars are covered in bin bags and gaffer taped. But the movement is seemingly dying out now, and perhaps we shall return to being careful.Only reason I say is because I bought a car recently and it looks like they’re fitted, looks like some kind of film on them? Anyway, I’ve not had any fines sent to uk since getting the car 3 moths ago and my driving hasn’t changed.. maybe I’ve been lucky, tbh most of our cameras have been torched and even 18 of the new 32 indestructible super cameras have been disabled by the locals, gota love the resistance!
bad company said:
E34-3.2 said:
Yes they can. The car is yours. Very simple. They fine the person who registered the car, not the driver. They impose the law on you as you are the owner and you took the unwise decision to let someone drive "dangerously".
You can complain as much as you like but this is the law, so don't let someone drive your car abroad if you feel that it is unfair.
Yes it’s French law and I still don’t see how they can impose that on me if I wasn’t there. Am I subject to other foreign laws while I’m here at home in the UK?You can complain as much as you like but this is the law, so don't let someone drive your car abroad if you feel that it is unfair.
Mrs BC and I never did get around to getting married. Does that mean we can be prosecuted by the United Arab Emirates if we have a bit of sex anywhere else in the world?
Edited by bad company on Monday 16th September 11:55
Edited by bad company on Monday 16th September 12:10
If you could just say "not me guv" and that was that, no-one would ever be driving their own car, would they? Someone was driving the car, and either the owner wears it, so takes the fine/ points, or has to finger someone else.
If the UAE are interested in prosecuting your non-wife, well that's probably a different type of fingering at issue.
Macron said:
I find your examples amusing.
If you could just say "not me guv" and that was that, no-one would ever be driving their own car, would they? Someone was driving the car, and either the owner wears it, so takes the fine/ points, or has to finger someone else.
If the UAE are interested in prosecuting your non-wife, well that's probably a different type of fingering at issue.
I find your (lack of) logic amusing. If you could just say "not me guv" and that was that, no-one would ever be driving their own car, would they? Someone was driving the car, and either the owner wears it, so takes the fine/ points, or has to finger someone else.
If the UAE are interested in prosecuting your non-wife, well that's probably a different type of fingering at issue.
I reiterate how can the French impose their laws on me if I haven’t been there for years?
Edited by bad company on Monday 16th September 22:17
lowdrag said:
Pvapour said:
Cool, 30 yrs, they’ll have forgotten
Only reason I say is because I bought a car recently and it looks like they’re fitted, looks like some kind of film on them? Anyway, I’ve not had any fines sent to uk since getting the car 3 moths ago and my driving hasn’t changed.. maybe I’ve been lucky, tbh most of our cameras have been torched and even 18 of the new 32 indestructible super cameras have been disabled by the locals, gota love the resistance!
Could be thanks to the gilets jaune though. Most of the fixed radars are covered in bin bags and gaffer taped. But the movement is seemingly dying out now, and perhaps we shall return to being careful.Only reason I say is because I bought a car recently and it looks like they’re fitted, looks like some kind of film on them? Anyway, I’ve not had any fines sent to uk since getting the car 3 moths ago and my driving hasn’t changed.. maybe I’ve been lucky, tbh most of our cameras have been torched and even 18 of the new 32 indestructible super cameras have been disabled by the locals, gota love the resistance!
Pvapour said:
Did you read the quote? The resistance are still going strong (or gillet jaunne as you call them)
Typically at PH, this is getting stupid. As someone who has lived in France for 20 years, I reiterate that the gilet jaune movement seems to be dying out. I have not seen any of them for several months now, whereas in the spring/summer they were everywhere, blocking roundabouts, burning tyres, and so on. But I agree with your comments to BC. If he want to stick his head in the sand that's fine by me. But he'll have no idea who is kicking his arse.bad company said:
I find your (lack of) logic amusing.
I reiterate how can the French impose their laws on me if I haven’t been there for years?
Oh Dear, this is getting tedious. I reiterate how can the French impose their laws on me if I haven’t been there for years?
Edited by bad company on Monday 16th September 22:17
THE FRENCH ARE NOT INTERESTED IN WHO WAS OR WAS NOT DRIVING, ONLY IN THE FACT THAT THE VEHICLE EXCEEDED THE SPEED LIMIT AND FOR THAT THERE IS A FINE, PAYABLE BY THE PERSON TO WHOM THE VEHICLE IS REGISTERED.
I imagine they do it this way to avoid endless wriggling and niggling by people who have been nicked speeding but want to find a way out of the consequences.
Mike-tf3n0 said:
Oh Dear, this is getting tedious.
THE FRENCH ARE NOT INTERESTED IN WHO WAS OR WAS NOT DRIVING, ONLY IN THE FACT THAT THE VEHICLE EXCEEDED THE SPEED LIMIT AND FOR THAT THERE IS A FINE, PAYABLE BY THE PERSON TO WHOM THE VEHICLE IS REGISTERED.
I imagine they do it this way to avoid endless wriggling and niggling by people who have been nicked speeding but want to find a way out of the consequences.
Nobody’s arguing about what the French laws state. It’s how they can impose them on someone who hasn’t been there for years that’s in doubt.THE FRENCH ARE NOT INTERESTED IN WHO WAS OR WAS NOT DRIVING, ONLY IN THE FACT THAT THE VEHICLE EXCEEDED THE SPEED LIMIT AND FOR THAT THERE IS A FINE, PAYABLE BY THE PERSON TO WHOM THE VEHICLE IS REGISTERED.
I imagine they do it this way to avoid endless wriggling and niggling by people who have been nicked speeding but want to find a way out of the consequences.
If you find that tedious the solution is obvious.
Christ almighty. Are you so thick that you are opaque? The point is that IT IS THE OWNER OF THE CAR WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FINE, NO MATTER WHO WAS AT THE WHEEL. You are responsible because your thoughtlessness in allowing someone else to drive your car abroad brought about the fine, therefore you are liable. Whether you wish to pursue the matter, as the injured party, against you wife is your problem. And with the new law apparently coming into force you might well be forced to do so or else, despite you not being on this planet (at least mentally it seems) you'll get a nice bunch of points on your licence. I suggest you quit this insane quibble and look at the case law. Perhaps this might stop your insane arguing:-
From 06 May 2017 the Cross-Border Enforcement Directive (CBED) allows an EU member state to pursue a UK registered vehicle involved in traffic offences in their country.
This includes not just speeding but drink and drug driving, running red lights and lane contraventions.
It also covers any applicable local laws relating to mobile phone offences and not wearing a helmet. Drivers can be prosecuted for not wearing a seat belt, too.
If you commit an offence and a fine is issued, the CBED also allows the country to pursue you through the UK legal system.
You will note that it is the registered owner of the vehicle who will be prosecuted, because by default you are the only person they can prosecute. It is then up to you to pursue your case and point the figure at Mrs BC who was at the wheel - should you wish to. Perhaps she was pissed and smoking a joint. I don't know nor have any wish to know. She is your problem
From 06 May 2017 the Cross-Border Enforcement Directive (CBED) allows an EU member state to pursue a UK registered vehicle involved in traffic offences in their country.
This includes not just speeding but drink and drug driving, running red lights and lane contraventions.
It also covers any applicable local laws relating to mobile phone offences and not wearing a helmet. Drivers can be prosecuted for not wearing a seat belt, too.
If you commit an offence and a fine is issued, the CBED also allows the country to pursue you through the UK legal system.
You will note that it is the registered owner of the vehicle who will be prosecuted, because by default you are the only person they can prosecute. It is then up to you to pursue your case and point the figure at Mrs BC who was at the wheel - should you wish to. Perhaps she was pissed and smoking a joint. I don't know nor have any wish to know. She is your problem
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