Lockdown in France
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Withe number of new cases peaking at 65,000 yesterday dropping back to 45,600 today and the R number increasing It does not look like the controls are reducing the situation in France. Occupancy rate for ICU beds is at 93%.
It would not surprise me if UK put tighter controls on France. France has already shown it would do the same if UK numbers were high.
It would not surprise me if UK put tighter controls on France. France has already shown it would do the same if UK numbers were high.
Abbott said:
Withe number of new cases peaking at 65,000 yesterday dropping back to 45,600 today and the R number increasing It does not look like the controls are reducing the situation in France. Occupancy rate for ICU beds is at 93%.
It would not surprise me if UK put tighter controls on France. France has already shown it would do the same if UK numbers were high.
"New cases". This is one of the infuriating techniques used to propagate all of the nonesense. What do they mean by “case” and are they talking about possible cases? Probable cases? Confirmed cases?It would not surprise me if UK put tighter controls on France. France has already shown it would do the same if UK numbers were high.
It means absolutely nothing bearing in mind that the vast majority show either nothing more than flu symptoms (as in my “case”) or don’t even show any symptoms it’s all.
There is a percentage of the population who are immunocompromised and could die if they get a common cold.
Should we test the general population for rhino viruses? How many millions of “cases” will we find? Why don’t we lock down the country to protect these people?
Driller said:
Abbott said:
Withe number of new cases peaking at 65,000 yesterday dropping back to 45,600 today and the R number increasing It does not look like the controls are reducing the situation in France. Occupancy rate for ICU beds is at 93%.
It would not surprise me if UK put tighter controls on France. France has already shown it would do the same if UK numbers were high.
"New cases". This is one of the infuriating techniques used to propagate all of the nonesense. What do they mean by “case” and are they talking about possible cases? Probable cases? Confirmed cases?It would not surprise me if UK put tighter controls on France. France has already shown it would do the same if UK numbers were high.
It means absolutely nothing bearing in mind that the vast majority show either nothing more than flu symptoms (as in my “case”) or don’t even show any symptoms it’s all.
There is a percentage of the population who are immunocompromised and could die if they get a common cold.
Should we test the general population for rhino viruses? How many millions of “cases” will we find? Why don’t we lock down the country to protect these people?
Well I don’t agree that those numbers are useful except to put the general population into a panic because of all the zeroes. The media is doing its usual job of selective reporting and what it does report (covid) is does on a continual loop for maximum brainwashing effect.
It is beyond me, ca me DÉPASSE, that nearly everyone has forgotten that thousands of people die every day from all sorts of things but they’re not in a panic about that purely because they don’t talk about it repetitively on the news every day.
And the crazy thing is, if they did talk about it on a loop every day people would be in a panic over it.
Oh and the hospitals have been saturated for at least 4 years with all the associated problems of having to choose which patients to treat but of course no-one talks about that:
Video of Dr Gérald Kierzek explaining this:
https://www.lactucitoyenne.fr/actualites/politique...
It is beyond me, ca me DÉPASSE, that nearly everyone has forgotten that thousands of people die every day from all sorts of things but they’re not in a panic about that purely because they don’t talk about it repetitively on the news every day.
And the crazy thing is, if they did talk about it on a loop every day people would be in a panic over it.
Oh and the hospitals have been saturated for at least 4 years with all the associated problems of having to choose which patients to treat but of course no-one talks about that:
Video of Dr Gérald Kierzek explaining this:
https://www.lactucitoyenne.fr/actualites/politique...
Edited by Driller on Friday 26th March 11:21
That is very interesting thanks for the link.
My knowledge of overall facilities planning for health care is not so good so I may be talking complete b
ks.
I assume that somewhere within the state system decisions have to be made about how much and what to invest in the health system.
for ICU bed capacity I think it would be crazy to plan too much as it is very expensive, too little and on a regular basis you stress the system and people die due to lack of facilities. Based on my automotive knowledge I would be surprised if a peak capacity was not based around 10% to 15% above maximum expected need. The need being based on the past x years of demand.
So it does not surprise me when they say that the system has been overloaded for the last 5 years. The real indicator of success there is how many people could have been saved if additional beds were available and what is an morally acceptable level?
Mais la médecine, elle le fait tous les jours et c'est très exactement ce que l'on demande à notre médecine de faire en lui disant : " Écoutez, réduisez les opérations qui ne sont pas Covid. " Ça veut dire, accepter les morts en dehors du Covid, non ? Je me trompe ?» Dr Gérald Kierzek: «Et qui sont réels et qui ne sont pas des projections sur des modélisations mathématiques de patients potentiels.»
As said the problem then becomes what do you want the people to die of due to lack of facilities. I expect that a significant number of people will die due to lack of appropriate care due to the Covid risks etc.
I think this is very sad and unfortunate that someone who could expect to live and recover from cancer will now be jeopardised.
The simple way I look at is that before Covid everything possible was being done to improve life and cure as many people as possible from whatever they suffered from. The additional strain on the system is from Covid (or cover paranoia) so Covid is some thing we can try to do something about. I am not sure any one, apart from the Chinese, have found the real solution. We need to do whatever we can to reduce the hospitailsations and deaths.
I say China have the solution because 102k cases on a population just short of 1.5 Billion is extremely impressive. It should define a whole new set of laws about statistics.
My knowledge of overall facilities planning for health care is not so good so I may be talking complete b
ks.I assume that somewhere within the state system decisions have to be made about how much and what to invest in the health system.
for ICU bed capacity I think it would be crazy to plan too much as it is very expensive, too little and on a regular basis you stress the system and people die due to lack of facilities. Based on my automotive knowledge I would be surprised if a peak capacity was not based around 10% to 15% above maximum expected need. The need being based on the past x years of demand.
So it does not surprise me when they say that the system has been overloaded for the last 5 years. The real indicator of success there is how many people could have been saved if additional beds were available and what is an morally acceptable level?
Mais la médecine, elle le fait tous les jours et c'est très exactement ce que l'on demande à notre médecine de faire en lui disant : " Écoutez, réduisez les opérations qui ne sont pas Covid. " Ça veut dire, accepter les morts en dehors du Covid, non ? Je me trompe ?» Dr Gérald Kierzek: «Et qui sont réels et qui ne sont pas des projections sur des modélisations mathématiques de patients potentiels.»
As said the problem then becomes what do you want the people to die of due to lack of facilities. I expect that a significant number of people will die due to lack of appropriate care due to the Covid risks etc.
I think this is very sad and unfortunate that someone who could expect to live and recover from cancer will now be jeopardised.
The simple way I look at is that before Covid everything possible was being done to improve life and cure as many people as possible from whatever they suffered from. The additional strain on the system is from Covid (or cover paranoia) so Covid is some thing we can try to do something about. I am not sure any one, apart from the Chinese, have found the real solution. We need to do whatever we can to reduce the hospitailsations and deaths.
I say China have the solution because 102k cases on a population just short of 1.5 Billion is extremely impressive. It should define a whole new set of laws about statistics.
You’re welcome 
You say it’s very expensive to have enough beds but what about the cost of vaccines and vaccination? I haven’t tried to calculate the cost but I imagine it must be huge and I think that money would be better spent on the hospitals where it’s needed.
As for China, again, those case numbers mean nothing. What are the deaths per 10,000 figures?
You say it’s very expensive to have enough beds but what about the cost of vaccines and vaccination? I haven’t tried to calculate the cost but I imagine it must be huge and I think that money would be better spent on the hospitals where it’s needed.
As for China, again, those case numbers mean nothing. What are the deaths per 10,000 figures?
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|https://thumbsnap.com/zECRaqmi[/url]Up until a couple of weeks ago, excess deaths were below average, having cleared out a few vulnerables in the first wave. French and other EU epidemiologists are clearly concerned that the wave from new variants that hit England just after Christmas are about to strike here.
The good news is that France now seems to be fairly skilled at saving lives from Covid. Todays numbers show serious critical showing France highest with 4,766, Italy 3,628, Germany 3,029. The UK is now reduced to 630, but clearly there remains huge concerns that SA and Brazilian variants could take off given the poorer resistance of current vaccines
Easter holidays will be the signal how serious the Government are taking it.They jibbed out at ski holidays and cases have increased.
If widespread travel and holidays are allowed at Easter,the population will take that as a sign that they can ignore all the social distanceing etc and carry on as normal.
If widespread travel and holidays are allowed at Easter,the population will take that as a sign that they can ignore all the social distanceing etc and carry on as normal.
smifffymoto said:
Easter holidays will be the signal how serious the Government are taking it.They jibbed out at ski holidays and cases have increased.
If widespread travel and holidays are allowed at Easter,the population will take that as a sign that they can ignore all the social distanceing etc and carry on as normal.
As it stands today, where we are in 78, you are not allowed to leave the region. Of course a lot of people already fled Isle de France as before restriction. Although having said that the school holiday starts after the 4wk timingIf widespread travel and holidays are allowed at Easter,the population will take that as a sign that they can ignore all the social distanceing etc and carry on as normal.
I think that it is best to describe France’s current position as - precarious.
There is no coherent plan to get the situation under control. Near term pressures are likely to make things worse, and we can be absolutely certain that come 14 July, everyone will be free to pass on Covid variants to every person they welcome into their home.
Jupiter has become King Canute. He will drown before he can accept that, just maybe, he is wrong.
There is no coherent plan to get the situation under control. Near term pressures are likely to make things worse, and we can be absolutely certain that come 14 July, everyone will be free to pass on Covid variants to every person they welcome into their home.
Jupiter has become King Canute. He will drown before he can accept that, just maybe, he is wrong.
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