New arrival. Exige 410 Sport

New arrival. Exige 410 Sport

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Denno B

745 posts

161 months

Monday 29th July 2019
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How much quicker is the 410 compared to the standard v6 and 350 sport? Noticeable or only when going silly speeds?

CTE

1,351 posts

196 months

Tuesday 30th July 2019
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I`ve owned a 2014 V6 roadster and now a 430 Cup...which will be similar to a 410.

I`d say the 430 Cup is noticeably faster especially at the top end of the power curve, but that`s not to say the 350 is not quick enough...in some ways the perception is similar, its just when look down at the speedo you are travelling so much faster.

I tweaked my V6 with a 390hp Komotec upgrade (remap essentially) and it improved it noticeably, not only with performance, but the engine just felt better and it was more economical. You can of course go all the way to 475hp now following the upgrade route, but not sure if financially it is the best route...you`ll never get the cost of the upgrades back when you come sell...not that I won`t probably loose a chunk when the time comes to part with the 430, but there`s nothing out there at present that`d I`d want to swap it for...and I`ve plenty of experience with other sports cars and supercars.

ecain63

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10,091 posts

131 months

Wednesday 31st July 2019
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Denno B said:
How much quicker is the 410 compared to the standard v6 and 350 sport? Noticeable or only when going silly speeds?
As has been said above, it is faster but it's not something you feel really. Probably down to the way it's set up and the improvements in build.

When I drive the 350 I felt I was doing 100 when I was doing 60. In the 410 I feel I'm doing 60 when I'm doing 100.

No heat related power loss on the 410/430 either

ecain63

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10,091 posts

131 months

Wednesday 31st July 2019
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Another top job by FCD with the paint and PPF. 2bular exhaust goes on Friday and then we're all set for more track action smile






gareth h

2,328 posts

186 months

Wednesday 31st July 2019
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ecain63 said:
Denno B said:
How much quicker is the 410 compared to the standard v6 and 350 sport? Noticeable or only when going silly speeds?
As has been said above, it is faster but it's not something you feel really. Probably down to the way it's set up and the improvements in build.

When I drive the 350 I felt I was doing 100 when I was doing 60. In the 410 I feel I'm doing 60 when I'm doing 100.

No heat related power loss on the 410/430 either
I’d be interested to compare the power curves, I was surprised by the low down grunt of the 410 while running it in with revs below 4500, I don’t remember the 350 being so torquey. I know the 350 had to run rich to help cooling with potential high inlet temps due to not having a charge cooler.

CTE

1,351 posts

196 months

Wednesday 31st July 2019
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That's the other thing that really surprises me is the economy of the 430...guess the 410 is the same...on a run driving progressively but not stupidly, I`m getting 35mpg...the V6 was nearer high 20`s in the same scenario...so yes I think slightly taller gearing and more low down torque probably all contribute...

ecain63

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10,091 posts

131 months

Wednesday 31st July 2019
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CTE said:
That's the other thing that really surprises me is the economy of the 430...guess the 410 is the same...on a run driving progressively but not stupidly, I`m getting 35mpg...the V6 was nearer high 20`s in the same scenario...so yes I think slightly taller gearing and more low down torque probably all contribute...
I've heard there's no difference in power between the 410 and 430. Just weight and damper settings. Actually, I also heard that the 410 was quicker round Hethel because of the softer setup. You're right about the fuel though, it's not that thirsty.

gareth h

2,328 posts

186 months

Wednesday 31st July 2019
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CTE said:
That's the other thing that really surprises me is the economy of the 430...guess the 410 is the same...on a run driving progressively but not stupidly, I`m getting 35mpg...the V6 was nearer high 20`s in the same scenario...so yes I think slightly taller gearing and more low down torque probably all contribute...
Yep, I noticed that, came back from Reims to Wiltshire last week, mostly 80mph on motorways, was getting 32-33mpg, don’t think I managed that in the 350

CTE

1,351 posts

196 months

Thursday 1st August 2019
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410 quicker round Hethel than a 430...outrageous! ha ha.

In truth I doubt there is very little in it...not checked but would think torque and gearing are much the same, the weight difference is negligible and the tyres are the same. I would think the extra aero on the 430 might slow it down in some situations and allow faster progress in others...

Anyhow, only one way to find out as Harry Hill would say!!

ecain63

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10,091 posts

131 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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Had one of Jim Valentine's QP systems fitted yesterday. I'll miss the noise of the OEM 410 exhaust but this is the only way we'll get on track without strangling the output. It's a lovely item with proper welds and shiny bits lol. I even found an unexpected marking on the chassis when I was inspecting the new pipework.








GTRene

11,666 posts

180 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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so thats going to be a rare 410 build on a 380 or do more 410 and 430 have the 380 base

Olivera

3,972 posts

195 months

Saturday 3rd August 2019
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fking lovely car.

Are the 410s actually making this power? I recall some of the original 350 versions were falling short, perhaps due to heat soak because of no charge air cooling?

gareth h

2,328 posts

186 months

Sunday 4th August 2019
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Olivera said:
fking lovely car.

Are the 410s actually making this power? I recall some of the original 350 versions were falling short, perhaps due to heat soak because of no charge air cooling?
It certainly feels like it!

ecain63

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10,091 posts

131 months

Sunday 4th August 2019
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Olivera said:
fking lovely car.

Are the 410s actually making this power? I recall some of the original 350 versions were falling short, perhaps due to heat soak because of no charge air cooling?
Yeah, making the numbers or more. The new charge cooled engines are not prone to heat soak and are being dyno'd at stock or healthier.

ecain63

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131 months

Sunday 4th August 2019
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GTRene said:
so thats going to be a rare 410 build on a 380 or do more 410 and 430 have the 380 base
No idea. I was told that they didn't sell many Cup380 cars so I assume they had excess stock to build on. Much of the car is the same so I'd guess they just bang in the new engine, different suspension setup and that's it. There's another owner I know of who found the same stamp on his 410 so I'm not alone.


GTRene

11,666 posts

180 months

Sunday 4th August 2019
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ecain63 said:
GTRene said:
so thats going to be a rare 410 build on a 380 or do more 410 and 430 have the 380 base
No idea. I was told that they didn't sell many Cup380 cars so I assume they had excess stock to build on. Much of the car is the same so I'd guess they just bang in the new engine, different suspension setup and that's it. There's another owner I know of who found the same stamp on his 410 so I'm not alone.
Interesting, that could be it, thanks,
I remember that the 410 was launched pretty close after the 380 smile so I guess a lot opted the 410 when the news came out.

ecain63

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10,091 posts

131 months

Tuesday 6th August 2019
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OEM exhaust. Valved, with one main silencer. This silencer is actually quite small.


The 2bular QP setup. Much larger main silencer and also a smaller one further back along the exhaust. The result is that it's now much quieter. There's a claimed slight increase in boost as a result too.




GTRene

11,666 posts

180 months

Tuesday 6th August 2019
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looks good, where is the end pipe?

ecain63

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10,091 posts

131 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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wink




GTRene

11,666 posts

180 months

Wednesday 7th August 2019
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better biggrinyum