Speed 6 Engine Tech

Speed 6 Engine Tech

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tvr5000

Original Poster:

391 posts

231 months

Wednesday 13th July 2005
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Hi,
Does anyone have any experience with Speed 6 Engine Tech in Henley on Thames?
My motors there now for a rebuild. Full rebuild will be 5500. Was advised the engine will be of the highest quality as one of the Engineers built the engine for the La Mans car. Sounds like great credentials.
Heard the odd thing about TVR Powers upgrade to Red rose, and it don't sound all rosey. Too much stress on the engine and only around 10bhp increase. Any have any input on this?

Mr Freefall

2,323 posts

259 months

Wednesday 13th July 2005
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tvr5000 said:
Hi,
Does anyone have any experience with Speed 6 Engine Tech in Henley on Thames?
My motors there now for a rebuild. Full rebuild will be 5500. Was advised the engine will be of the highest quality as one of the Engineers built the engine for the La Mans car. Sounds like great credentials.
Heard the odd thing about TVR Powers upgrade to Red rose, and it don't sound all rosey. Too much stress on the engine and only around 10bhp increase. Any have any input on this?


The RedRose upgrade is to 4.0ltr so you have a 400+ bhp engine in your car. With decatt and sports exhaust you could be looking at 415bhp.

Now, from 350 - 415BHP and for £5800 all in, what would you have done???

Speak to Dom at Power, top serice all round...

Mr F

bjwoods

5,015 posts

285 months

Wednesday 13th July 2005
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tvr5000 said:
Hi,
Does anyone have any experience with Speed 6 Engine Tech in Henley on Thames?
My motors there now for a rebuild. Full rebuild will be 5500. Was advised the engine will be of the highest quality as one of the Engineers built the engine for the La Mans car. Sounds like great credentials.
Heard the odd thing about TVR Powers upgrade to Red rose, and it don't sound all rosey. Too much stress on the engine and only around 10bhp increase. Any have any input on this?


Bit late asking now, as its already being done?

I'm not so sure how relevant a race engineer is for a road car, as even at Lemans the engines only have to be good for a few thousand miles. ie the race ferrari stradales are reckoned to be really strong race engines, good for 5-6 k miles before they get totally rebuilt.

No idea how many have been done as yet,
question to ask perhaps? also what sort of warranty are they putting on it - post rebuiild?

B

UpTheIron

3,998 posts

269 months

Wednesday 13th July 2005
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Questions I would be asking that immediately spring to mind:

How many have they done?
How many miles have the previous rebuilds done?
Can you speak to owners of rebuilt cars/engines?
What warranty is given with the work?
Who is it underwritten by, should S6ET go under?
In the event of a further rebuild under warranty, how quick, and do you get a courtesy TVR?
What does a "full rebuild" entail?
What differences between TVR's rebuild and Henley's?
How much did TVR and/or TVR Power quote?

tvr5000

Original Poster:

391 posts

231 months

Wednesday 13th July 2005
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Thanks for the mails. I'll keep you updated with how things go. My experience with TVR's is not a happy one so the thought of loading the extra BHP onto standard engine is a dubious one. My knowledge of engines would point to the fact that new pistons, crank and rods would realistically be needed to cope with the power increase. This is the reason the factory red Rose is normally a few thou more. Anyone had the work done thats on he site?

cacatous

3,163 posts

274 months

Thursday 14th July 2005
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Why don't you get Al Melling to rebuild it for you?

J.T.

294 posts

241 months

Thursday 14th July 2005
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Suggest you do a search on TVR forums on HH - mixed views IIRC.

I've gone down the TVR (Auto) Craft route partly due to the recently announced links with Al Mellings company and partly because I was impressed with their knowledge, approach and attitude. As has been said before, time will tell which of the options on offer is best but good luck with whatever route you choose.

JT

bjwoods

5,015 posts

285 months

Thursday 14th July 2005
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J.T. said:
Suggest you do a search on TVR forums on HH - mixed views IIRC.

I've gone down the TVR (Auto) Craft route partly due to the recently announced links with Al Mellings company and partly because I was impressed with their knowledge, approach and attitude. As has been said before, time will tell which of the options on offer is best but good luck with whatever route you choose.

JT



Be aware that engine tech and HH are now too very sepaerate companies, with different owners.

Ie HH has a new owner

B

>> Edited by bjwoods on Thursday 14th July 14:58

J.T.

294 posts

241 months

Thursday 14th July 2005
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Fair point - I wasn't aware of that.

Do you work anywhere near Marlow/High Wycombe Barry? I'll keep an eye/ear out for you....

JT

bjwoods

5,015 posts

285 months

Thursday 14th July 2005
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Henley/twyford area

B

tvr5000

Original Poster:

391 posts

231 months

Friday 22nd July 2005
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Well here goes. As mentioned before, I'm very unlucky with the TVR's. So this in mind, what could be the worse case scenario that I could here. Yep you got it. The engine is lost, absolutely shagged. Don't know if any of it can be used.

It appears that it has previously been abused and someone has tried to hide this fact. Slik 50 was found in the engine, and this had congealed to block the oilways. It had broken bearings, the crank was able to float around in the housing, and so on and so on!!

I'm a little miffed now, as when you buy from a TVR enthusiast you tend to have faith in their word. Further investigation is underway on the motor, and I'm not laying the blame at anyones feet until I find out more.

I have found the guys at Speed Six Engine Tech very helpful so far, and will keep you updated with what the outcome will be. Just don't want the £15000 new engine to be a solution.

Why do I put myself through this every time?? It must be that each time I pick it up from the garage you get that all too familiar feeling.

UpTheIron

3,998 posts

269 months

Friday 22nd July 2005
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Hi Mick,

Have you considered a second opinion on the state of your engine? I'm not necessarily suggesting that S6 Tech are wrong, but if they are suggesting £15k to fix then I really think you should consider getting another expert opinion.

I was once quoted £1.5k by a dealer, I took the car elsewhere and the work I really needed doing was closer to £250...

I am not suggesting there is a link between S6 Tech and my experience you understand

TUS 373

4,516 posts

282 months

Friday 22nd July 2005
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Whoooa - I'm so sorry to hear about this. I would be a broken person if much less than that happened to me.

As an alternative, how about getting a 2nd hand engine from a breakers like Douglas Valley? You may even be lucky enough to stumble across a Tuscan S engine. Run that as it is, (after checking the engine history with the TVR factory and as many others as possible), and hopefully that will get you a couple of years motoring for a relatively low replacement cost. You could even break your old engine then for parts - e.g. throttle bodies on Ebay?

Only some ideas - but really hope you get up and running once you have decided that the current engine has no future in being repaired.

bjwoods

5,015 posts

285 months

Friday 22nd July 2005
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I would REALLY get a 2nd opinion.

B

ouagadougou

55 posts

242 months

Friday 22nd July 2005
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Try Douglas Valley or a first or similar company as already suggested. Some of the sums of money being talked about to solve some of these problemas are quite frankly stupid. If you got ripped off by the seller then dont get ripped off by anyone else !!!!

darreni

3,801 posts

271 months

Saturday 23rd July 2005
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Are they really quoting 15k?
Speak to Paul Giddings at TVR factory. They have recon blocks etc to keep costs down, & Paul will not spend your money unless there is absolutley no other option.

Tuska

961 posts

231 months

Sunday 24th July 2005
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SERIOUSLY if you are in the Thames Valley (i'm in High Wycombe) then please talk to Warren at TOPCATS. they are an Indie Tuscan race team based in Aylesbury. They are enthusiasts who will give an honest and expert second opinion.

Tel. 01296 655109

Good luck, stiff upper lip and all that......

Tuska

961 posts

231 months

Sunday 24th July 2005
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OK, ive just noticed that your in the North East. (its BJ and JT who are in my neck of the woods).

How did you pick on a Henley outfit in the first place?

tvr5000

Original Poster:

391 posts

231 months

Sunday 24th July 2005
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Very short notice and being sat on the A19 with a very expensive bit of art.
First thought was TVR Power, but it could'nt be worked upon until September. With just 3 days under my belt, I could'nt wait that long. Also heard mixed reviews on the Red Rose rebuild. Actually spoke to the guy that sold the car to me and he pointed me in SSET direction. Gave em a ring, very polite, sounded like they knew what they were doing, and had a shorter turn around. Price was a little more, but it was an all in price. So sent the AA man down there. Very nice man!!
I've had contact with Jason and he dose'nt know where the 15k price came from, and assures me it will be no where near that. Thanks god!!
Just waiting to see what the options are. I'm more inclined to spend the extra and have an S thats been rebuilt slipped in. Will at least feel like I've got something for my dosh.
My tip is be very careful buying private. Thought I would of learnt the first time.

TUS 373

4,516 posts

282 months

Sunday 24th July 2005
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That's really bad luck really. And I mean REALLY bad. I would buy again privately, and certainly sell privately as I think last time I sold a car, I was a little bit ripped off, never bought! Hope you get a good solution soon - keep us posted as to what you do.